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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and  war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers  was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

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Left on Russia? uhhh... no.[/quote]

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor  .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans [/quote]

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.[/quote]
I think what they're getting at is it used to be a more progressive thing to think the US politics need to get over Russia and stop being so militaristic about the whole ordeal, but now Republicans are in bed with Putin[/quote]

Putin has nothing to do with the USSR. In the 1950s there was some interest from European socialists in the USSR, but there was never any connection between Western liberal parties and the USSR and the Democrats were virulently anti-Communist through the 1960s, by which point interest in Communism in America was dead.

But, again, Russia hasn't ahd anything to do wiht communism for decades -- there hasn't been even any stereotyped or imagined affinity between the left and Putin, ever. He's always been anti-Democratic, pro-oligarch, pro-oil, anti-minority, anti-self-determination and anti-human rights. He's a rightwinger and the connections have always been there with the GOP but it's only recently that it's become so public.[/quote]
I know the USSR thing, just imagine they are talking about Russia. Progressives don't really see the point in going militaristic on Russia, even if its an anti-democratic mess, because they believe Russia is not an actual threat (and partially its all an extension of anti-USSR propaganda). [/quote]

Hmmm... the US has supported independent Ukraine for decades, starting with Clinton. But why would I imagine that Russia is the USSR? It's a totally different country, differnet politics and their governments are unrelated... Liberals have long opposed Putin's persecution of minorities and human rights abuses. There's been no connection between the American left and Russia—Soviet or not—since pre-WWII.[/quote]

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