What happened to the Moderate Dem or Rep??

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

OP here. I agree that this is why Trump has gained the ground he has. And I did vote for Trump in 2016...but his divisive rhetoric was a huge turn off for me so I voted my conscience and ended up with Biden...which was fine because we had Youngkin who I'd voted for.

But in the last 4 yrs it has been the too far left Dems and their divisive rhetoric that is turning me off.

Biden dropping out opened the gates for a moderate Dem and despite what a previous poster has said....I believe there is more than 30% of both moderate Dems and Moderate Reps together who would be willing to work together and compromise.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.

Yeah, Trump created Operation Warpspeed. Without him we would still be waiting for the Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA would not be a thing we'd be talking about at all if Trump hadn't demanded fast action... it's the one thing we ALL owe him a huge debt of gratitude for.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.

Yeah, Trump created Operation Warpspeed. Without him we would still be waiting for the Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA would not be a thing we'd be talking about at all if Trump hadn't demanded fast action... it's the one thing we ALL owe him a huge debt of gratitude for.

...and that's where you lose me. It was Trump and the Republicans who revived anti-vax ideas into the mainstream and re-framed public health as a matter of "personal freedom." Right-leaning activists even used the matter to taunt pro-choice people. Trump did a pretty terrible job with COVID, and it's easily the lowest point of his presidency.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.

Yeah, Trump created Operation Warpspeed. Without him we would still be waiting for the Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA would not be a thing we'd be talking about at all if Trump hadn't demanded fast action... it's the one thing we ALL owe him a huge debt of gratitude for.

...and that's where you lose me. It was Trump and the Republicans who revived anti-vax ideas into the mainstream and re-framed public health as a matter of "personal freedom." Right-leaning activists even used the matter to taunt pro-choice people. Trump did a pretty terrible job with COVID, and it's easily the lowest point of his presidency.

Oh, Trump went on to talk about bleach and all that, but a lot of people forget that Operation Warpspeed was his idea. Trump will go down in history as the reason we have mRNA vaccines. I hope EVERYONE remembers that.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.

Yeah, Trump created Operation Warpspeed. Without him we would still be waiting for the Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA would not be a thing we'd be talking about at all if Trump hadn't demanded fast action... it's the one thing we ALL owe him a huge debt of gratitude for.

He really deserves far more credit for Operation Warp Speed than he has gotten. My spouse worked on that project at FDA; the speed, efficiency, and resources Warp Speed provided were unprecedented.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.

Yeah, Trump created Operation Warpspeed. Without him we would still be waiting for the Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA would not be a thing we'd be talking about at all if Trump hadn't demanded fast action... it's the one thing we ALL owe him a huge debt of gratitude for.

...and that's where you lose me. It was Trump and the Republicans who revived anti-vax ideas into the mainstream and re-framed public health as a matter of "personal freedom." Right-leaning activists even used the matter to taunt pro-choice people. Trump did a pretty terrible job with COVID, and it's easily the lowest point of his presidency.

Oh, Trump went on to talk about bleach and all that, but a lot of people forget that Operation Warpspeed was his idea. Trump will go down in history as the reason we have mRNA vaccines. I hope EVERYONE remembers that.

I really hope not. Not because of political reasons, but we should put more praise into scientists. It's not even about the comments on Bleach or whatever ridiculous things he said. It's the anger at dems for trying to get people to take the vaccines. He was booed by his own base in Dallas for saying he got the Booster shot, because his base was so used to him trashing on the vaccines. Trump wasn't proud of it for a long long time, and he encouraged his base who didn't get the vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Really? What's some middle of the ground territory he's staked out?

Immigration

War

Vaccines

Telling Republicans last year to not cut a penny out of Social Security and Medicare during the debt ceiling talks. Biden didn’t even say that.

Trump has the Republican Party by the neck and has dragged them to the left kicking and screaming when it comes to illegals immigration, SS and Medicare which Trump never calls entitlements, and Russia.

Trump was so awful for Repubs that Republicans were sure the Clintons sent him to be a plant . They did not

I actually really like the vaccines part. People forget that it was weirdo progressives into "alternative medicine" that were doing the anti vaccine work for a long time. Much of Oregon was anti-vaccines.

Yeah, Trump created Operation Warpspeed. Without him we would still be waiting for the Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA would not be a thing we'd be talking about at all if Trump hadn't demanded fast action... it's the one thing we ALL owe him a huge debt of gratitude for.

...and that's where you lose me. It was Trump and the Republicans who revived anti-vax ideas into the mainstream and re-framed public health as a matter of "personal freedom." Right-leaning activists even used the matter to taunt pro-choice people. Trump did a pretty terrible job with COVID, and it's easily the lowest point of his presidency.

Oh, Trump went on to talk about bleach and all that, but a lot of people forget that Operation Warpspeed was his idea. Trump will go down in history as the reason we have mRNA vaccines. I hope EVERYONE remembers that.

I really hope not. Not because of political reasons, but we should put more praise into scientists. It's not even about the comments on Bleach or whatever ridiculous things he said. It's the anger at dems for trying to get people to take the vaccines. He was booed by his own base in Dallas for saying he got the Booster shot, because his base was so used to him trashing on the vaccines. Trump wasn't proud of it for a long long time, and he encouraged his base who didn't get the vaccine.

I think his base would like to know that without Trump there wouldn't have been mRNAs and Pfizer and Moderna wouldn't be the heroes that we all think they are today. Anything you can do to help inform his voters that he deserves more credit for this would help so much!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well - Biden is out. Now is the time for the Dems to pull their heads out of you-know-where and put forth a viable Moderate Dem nominee!!! Maybe Joe Manchin?? He was a Dem but just this year registered at Independent....get him on board! I'm a moderate Republican but would vote for Manchin is a heartbeat. Heck, I can see it now...keep "Joe" alive slogan!

Quit trying to make fetch happen. You want Manchin, push out Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

Trump doesn’t give a flying fig about social policy outside of its ability to win him an election. He is for sale to the highest bidder which at this point is the evangelical Christians when it comes to social policy. Dobbs was overturned because of his actions. Now he tells candidates to pump the breaks on the abortion talk because he knows it’s not popular. He doesn’t care that his actions have had such a horrible fallout.

The next swath of social policies for this “abortion for me, but not for thee” candidate is wrapped up in the sweaty palms of the authors of Project 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is a left of center president. Schumer and Jeffries are left of center democrats. None of the three - the Dmeocratic leadership, are "progressives"

There is a lot of room in the democratic tent for people who are pro-choice and don't want crazy running the country.

I would argue that Biden is much closer to Reagan than most of the current GOP.

What about a pro life democrat. Is there room for them?

I'm certain some dems are pro-life but just aren't into forcing their values on others like the MAGAs.

+1. Joe Biden is a pro-life Democrat FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides, you guys.

I know all you moderates are truly convinced you’re the smartest, most rational people ever, but you’re slowly boiling to death in a fire started by the GOP and you’re mad at the people noticing it’s getting hot. You’re not rational, you’re not moderate.

I could go on, but you “common sense” people are over sensitive and under thinking.

Textbook projection.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is a New York Republican, hardly a social conservative. He’s made this race an uphill battle for Dems by staking out a lot of middle ground that is popular with most Americans. OP, he’s your guy.

I dislike him personally but his policies will be much better for the US right now.

Biden/Harris has been a disaster in so many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides, you guys.

I know all you moderates are truly convinced you’re the smartest, most rational people ever, but you’re slowly boiling to death in a fire started by the GOP and you’re mad at the people noticing it’s getting hot. You’re not rational, you’re not moderate.

I could go on, but you “common sense” people are over sensitive and under thinking.

Textbook projection.

But is it? Moderates overwhelmingly vote on feelings and being uncomfortable with "division." Why should the two national parties pretend they're getting unified work done to make you feel better when, at the end of the day, this is a competitive space for political agendas?

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Anonymous wrote:Biden is a left of center president. Schumer and Jeffries are left of center democrats. None of the three - the Dmeocratic leadership, are "progressives"

There is a lot of room in the democratic tent for people who are pro-choice and don't want crazy running the country.

I would argue that Biden is much closer to Reagan than most of the current GOP.

What about a pro life democrat. Is there room for them?

I'm certain some dems are pro-life but just aren't into forcing their values on others like the MAGAs.

Well that makes them pro- choice. They might be pro-life for themselves but pro-choice for others. And “pro-life” really means anti-abortion which is restricting women’s bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides, you guys.

I know all you moderates are truly convinced you’re the smartest, most rational people ever, but you’re slowly boiling to death in a fire started by the GOP and you’re mad at the people noticing it’s getting hot. You’re not rational, you’re not moderate.

I could go on, but you “common sense” people are over sensitive and under thinking.

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