What happened to the Moderate Dem or Rep??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate Rep who truly despises extreme left ideologies just as much as extreme right ideologies I am the one who feels hopeless with the ever-dividing extremism our society has evolved to, and you can blame the Democrats just as much as the Republicans. Both are equally to blame.

Fully agree. Citizens United is a huge part of this. If 80% of Americans are moderates, then how are these extreme factions in control? Big money and big interests. This is not democracy.

What would you say if I told you there was one party who has been actively trying to reverse Citizens United? Would you be interested in that?

[Anonymous]

I would say great, talk to me when you stop taking the money. Walk the walk and all…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would say great, talk to me when you stop taking the money. Walk the walk and all…

Well, they tried that and you didn't go for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a moderate Rep who truly despises extreme left ideologies just as much as extreme right ideologies I am the one who feels hopeless with the ever-dividing extremism our society has evolved to, and you can blame the Democrats just as much as the Republicans. Both are equally to blame.

Fully agree. Citizens United is a huge part of this. If 80% of Americans are moderates, then how are these extreme factions in control? Big money and big interests. This is not democracy.

Only 30ish percent of Americans are moderate, but that's not what I want to get at.

What is that extreme about the Democratic party? Much of the party is heavily dissatisfied with how lukewarm it is and how little it represents the interests of liberals, let alone leftists. What would moderate Democrat platform would you want to see? What Moderate Republican platform would you want to see?

[Anonymous]

Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

[Anonymous]

Trump is also left when it comes to government spending . He spent alot.

As for Biden, he’s actually moved the Democrat Party to the right .

This is partly the reason why the left and right wing have seemed to conjoin lately . Both parties have done 180 degree turns on Russia and immigration thanks to Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is also left when it comes to government spending . He spent alot.

As for Biden, he’s actually moved the Democrat Party to the right .

This is partly the reason why the left and right wing have seemed to conjoin lately . Both parties have done 180 degree turns on Russia and immigration thanks to Trump

Biden is center-right anywhere in the world but the US. But Trump is solidly conservative on Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.

I think what they're getting at is it used to be a more progressive thing to think the US politics need to get over Russia and stop being so militaristic about the whole ordeal, but now Republicans are in bed with Putin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Left on Russia? uhhh... no.

Yes . Supporting anything Soviet was seen as the mark of a leftist as was anyone railing against illegal immigration/cheap labor .

Unions have even dumped Biden for Trump. They realized he is a one man walking and talking labor Union for Americans

do you know that the USSR hasn't been around for nearly 40 years?

you kind of have a point on immigration, but it's really more just the reality that the Dems are the big tent party—immigrants, minorities, working-class, educated, women, etc. all have a friendly home in the Democratic party. Environmentalists vs. unions is another conundrum, but the fact that the GOP will NEVER lift a finger to help any of them keeps them all in place.

I think what they're getting at is it used to be a more progressive thing to think the US politics need to get over Russia and stop being so militaristic about the whole ordeal, but now Republicans are in bed with Putin

Putin has nothing to do with the USSR. In the 1950s there was some interest from European socialists in the USSR, but there was never any connection between Western liberal parties and the USSR and the Democrats were virulently anti-Communist through the 1960s, by which point interest in Communism in America was dead.

But, again, Russia hasn't ahd anything to do wiht communism for decades -- there hasn't been even any stereotyped or imagined affinity between the left and Putin, ever. He's always been anti-Democratic, pro-oligarch, pro-oil, anti-minority, anti-self-determination and anti-human rights. He's a rightwinger and the connections have always been there with the GOP but it's only recently that it's become so public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is moving the Republican party left on Russia and war/foreign policy and left on immigration. Yes, illegal immigration and amnesty for cheap laborers was a Republican thing. Expanding the federal government with ICE is a leftist policy .

Republicans have moved "left" on Russia, because they admire its authoritarianism. Seeing Tucker Carlson nearly cry about the beauty of Russia almost sent me into a coma.

They definitely have gotten less War hawk-ish, but I disagree with Republicans on one point, and it's that US interests really do matter and we should assert ourselves as the global hegemony. I just don't really see why we should cede our interests to China.

The Republicans weren’t the ones who banned an open primary process and free speech and reporting toward the President . It seems to me the Dems are the authoritarian ones

By the way, Ukraine is just as authoritarian as Putin is . Zelensky cracks down on opposition so I’m confused as to how we are supporting the moral victor here?

Trump voted Democrat in the past

Who banned an open primary process and free speech? Sorry, I missed that, but I would like to hear more about it, because it's a major issue for me.