If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

Anonymous
Not a chance. Never.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.



Modern GOP would call Eisenhower a woke socialist.


The modern GOP would call Reagan a lib.
Anonymous
I'd consider someone like the former governor of Massachusetts
Anonymous
Not a chance OP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.


To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.


“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.


A democrat who has in the past voted across party lines— I.e the only kind who could even theoretically support a Republican. Sorry this was so hard for you to parse.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Nope, would never vote Republican despite agreeing with some fiscal issues. Their entire agenda seems to be finding ways to limit, or eliminate, rights. That's their platform. The democrats, "woke" or not, are about enhancing or granting rights a la "more rights for you doesn't equal fewer rights for me." I'm also staunchly pro-choice, similar to long-post PP above. I just don't see why the government should be involved at all. Leave it to women and their doctors.


Curious what fiscal issues? The ones where money flows to the top? Or the one where you explode the debt by passing unfunded tax cuts? Or the one where you leave office in a recession or an economic cliff?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.



Modern GOP would call Eisenhower a woke socialist.


The modern GOP would call Reagan a lib.


Yep. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals and raised taxes. Those two things alone would totally disqualify him from today's GOP and they would be screaming "RINO" with spittle flying from their lips.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.


Eisenhower at least believed in investing in national infrastructure and understood that taxes are a critical piece of what is needed to make a country (and yes, the civilian side of it) work.
Can'd say the same for any Republican since the 1980s.

End even Richard Nixon, as bad as he was, understood the importance of protecting the environment. But again, no Republican since the 1980s has understood that.

People always want to insist that the country is moving toward the left, but it's the right that has lost its way, has abandoned a lot of things that it used to value and understand.


Eisenhower is a pre Civil Rights republican. He would be a moderate democrat in today's world.

+1 And the Democratic Party at the time was trying to recruit him as well. He wasn’t an ideologue AT ALL so I don’t know what PP thinks they’re talking about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Eisenhower_movement


Democrats in the 50’s we’re too busy siccing dogs and turning fire hoses on black folks. They had no use for a Republican like Ike, who integrated the Army.


You're talking about the southern pro-segregation Democrats. History shows that with Nixon's Southern Strategy they all got rolled into the Republican fold.

Nice try tho.
Anonymous
There is not a republican alive I would vote for right now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.


Eisenhower at least believed in investing in national infrastructure and understood that taxes are a critical piece of what is needed to make a country (and yes, the civilian side of it) work.
Can'd say the same for any Republican since the 1980s.

End even Richard Nixon, as bad as he was, understood the importance of protecting the environment. But again, no Republican since the 1980s has understood that.

People always want to insist that the country is moving toward the left, but it's the right that has lost its way, has abandoned a lot of things that it used to value and understand.


Eisenhower is a pre Civil Rights republican. He would be a moderate democrat in today's world.

+1 And the Democratic Party at the time was trying to recruit him as well. He wasn’t an ideologue AT ALL so I don’t know what PP thinks they’re talking about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Eisenhower_movement


Democrats in the 50’s we’re too busy siccing dogs and turning fire hoses on black folks. They had no use for a Republican like Ike, who integrated the Army.

Truman, a Democrat from Missouri who was Eisenhower’s CIC, integrated the Army.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.


To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.


“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.


In the unlikely event that this comment was made in good faith, I identify as a "moderate Democrat" and here are my general politics. Happy now?

- Voted for Obama, HRC, Biden (all my first-choice candidates in the respective Democratic primaries) and was generally aligned with them on most issues.
- Don't support tax cuts, especially for high earners. I have a relatively high HHI and pay a combined ~40-45% tax rate between federal and state taxes (high-tax state) and think this is appropriate for people at and above my income level. I believe in people paying their fair share and think the top 1-2% of earners should be taxed significantly more. I support an increased estate tax.
- I think military spending is important and reducing it is not a priority for me. I support foreign interventions in some cases.
- I support gay rights and the Obergefell decision, and don't agree that "religious liberty" should somehow allow discrimination against LGBTQ people in any sphere. I think people should use whatever public bathroom they feel more comfortable in. I agree that transgender athletes participating in women's sports is a problem, but I'm able to recognize that it is a relatively minor issue in the big picture. I do not include pronouns in my work email signature, even though my employer allows it and many people do (I find the concept a bit ridiculous). As far as the gender culture wars go, I personally fall on the more moderate/conservative end of the spectrum, but this is mainly an annoyance, not something I would vote R over.
- I don't support legalizing drugs as a general matter. I understand the arguments for decriminalizing pot, and am politically ambivalent on it. I personally hate it in general and also how it's become ubiquitous in areas where it's decriminalized.
- I support tough on crime measures and I like police (not in a "Blue Lives Matter" way, but I have no problem with the police and think that they have been demonized over the past few years. I do agree that some reforms in policing may be needed, but don't support funding cuts or paring back police forces. I am not white if that matters.) I live in a state that passed bail reform a few years ago and strongly disagree with how the law is designed and implemented.
- I support spending on social programs like SNAP/WIC, expanded Medicaid, and generally anything that helps the poor get by. Probably not to the level that the progressive wing of the Democratic party would want, though (just because their proposals are somewhat unrealistic). I don't think a $15 national minimum wage is realistic, but I would support some kind of policy that pegged the minimum wage in each state to the living wage in the area.
- I support Biden's plan for canceling $10,000 of student debt per borrower. I think there are problems with canceling all debt, but this seems like a good middle ground. I would support making community college free.
- I support all of the gun control measures that the Democratic party has put forth in the past decades. I think universal background checks, prohibiting mentally ill individuals from obtaining guns, closing gun show loopholes, and general common-sense measures are a minimum requirement. I would love for assault-style weapons
to be banned. On a personal level, I hate guns and would like to see gun permits severely restricted (preferably just to police and military), the end of concealed carry, etc., but that will never happen.
- I think climate change is a real and pressing issue, and think the federal government needs to act on a sweeping basis. I would support any Democratic bill to address climate change, regardless of cost.
- I think the Democratic party has lost the plot on immigration, particularly with respect to the southern border. What we have is tantamount to an open border, and I think the asylum system as it currently exists is one massive loophole that is not being used as intended. I think current Democratic policy essentially equates to not enforcing our immigration laws, and it is frustrating. I actually don't think Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was a bad idea, and think it should be continued. I am 100% fine with deporting undocumented immigrants (particularly those who have committed crimes), support mandatory and universal use of e-Verify, and support DACA on a limited basis for those who entered the United States prior to a cutoff date that is strictly enforced. But I don't believe that Republicans actually want to fix the problem in good faith either.

The one issue where I'd consider myself to be left of the average "moderate Democrat" is that I'm extremely, stringently pro-choice in all situations. I think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on abortion, late-term abortion, minor abortion, any of it. Most moderates that I know personally are okay with some limitations or just don't consider this to be a priority. I'm a one-issue voter on this issue in that I will never ever vote for an anti-choice politician of any party.



Thank you. You just described me and I accused of being left Bernie Sanders.
Anonymous
I voted for a Republican my very first time voting

I also voted for our current President on the same ballot

Mike Castle was a moderate Republican and Biden’s team liked him

None of the current Republicans is a moderate. None. When the crazies swept out people like Castle, that was the last time anyone who normally voted D would even think of voting R
Anonymous
There are lots of moderate democrats, which is why Hogan got elected twice. But the R's lost me on the national level when they became stridently anti-choice back in the late 80s. The MAGA movement wants to take America back to the 1950s.
Anonymous
Not a chance. Nobody should be voting Republican. Period. Stop with the lunacy!
Anonymous
No way. I don’t think I will ever vote for any Republican ever in the future. They lost me on 1/6 and overturning Roe.
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