If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

What makes you think Eisenhower would be a republican today? Eisenhower would be a liberal.

[Anonymous]

What about Hogan? There might be some R governors worth voting for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

In the unlikely event that this comment was made in good faith, I identify as a "moderate Democrat" and here are my general politics. Happy now?

- Voted for Obama, HRC, Biden (all my first-choice candidates in the respective Democratic primaries) and was generally aligned with them on most issues.
- Don't support tax cuts, especially for high earners. I have a relatively high HHI and pay a combined ~40-45% tax rate between federal and state taxes (high-tax state) and think this is appropriate for people at and above my income level. I believe in people paying their fair share and think the top 1-2% of earners should be taxed significantly more. I support an increased estate tax.
- I think military spending is important and reducing it is not a priority for me. I support foreign interventions in some cases.
- I support gay rights and the Obergefell decision, and don't agree that "religious liberty" should somehow allow discrimination against LGBTQ people in any sphere. I think people should use whatever public bathroom they feel more comfortable in. I agree that transgender athletes participating in women's sports is a problem, but I'm able to recognize that it is a relatively minor issue in the big picture. I do not include pronouns in my work email signature, even though my employer allows it and many people do (I find the concept a bit ridiculous). As far as the gender culture wars go, I personally fall on the more moderate/conservative end of the spectrum, but this is mainly an annoyance, not something I would vote R over.
- I don't support legalizing drugs as a general matter. I understand the arguments for decriminalizing pot, and am politically ambivalent on it. I personally hate it in general and also how it's become ubiquitous in areas where it's decriminalized.
- I support tough on crime measures and I like police (not in a "Blue Lives Matter" way, but I have no problem with the police and think that they have been demonized over the past few years. I do agree that some reforms in policing may be needed, but don't support funding cuts or paring back police forces. I am not white if that matters.) I live in a state that passed bail reform a few years ago and strongly disagree with how the law is designed and implemented.
- I support spending on social programs like SNAP/WIC, expanded Medicaid, and generally anything that helps the poor get by. Probably not to the level that the progressive wing of the Democratic party would want, though (just because their proposals are somewhat unrealistic). I don't think a $15 national minimum wage is realistic, but I would support some kind of policy that pegged the minimum wage in each state to the living wage in the area.
- I support Biden's plan for canceling $10,000 of student debt per borrower. I think there are problems with canceling all debt, but this seems like a good middle ground. I would support making community college free.
- I support all of the gun control measures that the Democratic party has put forth in the past decades. I think universal background checks, prohibiting mentally ill individuals from obtaining guns, closing gun show loopholes, and general common-sense measures are a minimum requirement. I would love for assault-style weapons
to be banned. On a personal level, I hate guns and would like to see gun permits severely restricted (preferably just to police and military), the end of concealed carry, etc., but that will never happen.
- I think climate change is a real and pressing issue, and think the federal government needs to act on a sweeping basis. I would support any Democratic bill to address climate change, regardless of cost.
- I think the Democratic party has lost the plot on immigration, particularly with respect to the southern border. What we have is tantamount to an open border, and I think the asylum system as it currently exists is one massive loophole that is not being used as intended. I think current Democratic policy essentially equates to not enforcing our immigration laws, and it is frustrating. I actually don't think Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was a bad idea, and think it should be continued. I am 100% fine with deporting undocumented immigrants (particularly those who have committed crimes), support mandatory and universal use of e-Verify, and support DACA on a limited basis for those who entered the United States prior to a cutoff date that is strictly enforced. But I don't believe that Republicans actually want to fix the problem in good faith either.

The one issue where I'd consider myself to be left of the average "moderate Democrat" is that I'm extremely, stringently pro-choice in all situations. I think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on abortion, late-term abortion, minor abortion, any of it. Most moderates that I know personally are okay with some limitations or just don't consider this to be a priority. I'm a one-issue voter on this issue in that I will never ever vote for an anti-choice politician of any party.

This is mostly me though I support decriminalizing pot. I don't use it myself, but think it's ridiculous to criminalize pot but allow alcohol. Either we allow both or we don't allow either (and we know how prohibition went).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

The OP didn’t ask anyone to do that, so it’s not the topic of the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

Eisenhower at least believed in investing in national infrastructure and understood that taxes are a critical piece of what is needed to make a country (and yes, the civilian side of it) work.
Can'd say the same for any Republican since the 1980s.

End even Richard Nixon, as bad as he was, understood the importance of protecting the environment. But again, no Republican since the 1980s has understood that.

People always want to insist that the country is moving toward the left, but it's the right that has lost its way, has abandoned a lot of things that it used to value and understand.

Eisenhower is a pre Civil Rights republican. He would be a moderate democrat in today's world.

+1 And the Democratic Party at the time was trying to recruit him as well. He wasn’t an ideologue AT ALL so I don’t know what PP thinks they’re talking about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Eisenhower_movement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about Hogan? There might be some R governors worth voting for.

Read the thread. Answered many times. Anyone who wins the Republican nomination will appoint Federalist Society judges and anti-government Republican hacks to destroy federal agencies and support budget-busting tax cuts and fraud-enabling deregulation. Those are what it means to be a Republican. Hogan wouldn’t have solid support from either party to get any significant legislation enacted. The only thing in his favor is he would do nothing but the patronage and not the crazy stupid shit another Republican would try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

What you should have learned:

There are a lot of moderates out there that used to vote for Republicans on occasion, maybe even frequently. I am the person that voted for Kasich in the 2016 primary. I voted for George W. Bush twice. The New York Times and other papers don't come out to our diners and coffee shops and ask us about our viewpoints, but we vote. And after 2016 and Donald Trump we have lost all faith in the Republican party and will actively vote against Republicans of all stripes to keep them out of power. If I am lucky, I have anywhere from 25-50 more years of voting in my future. I will never vote for a Republican candidate again. I leave behind two children who currently feel the same. We are the people who put Biden in office. We are the people that prevented the anticipated Red Wave in the '22 mid-terms. You can laugh all you want but if you don't change our minds then all you will be doing is laughing on DCUM while we take back our country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

In the unlikely event that this comment was made in good faith, I identify as a "moderate Democrat" and here are my general politics. Happy now?

- Voted for Obama, HRC, Biden (all my first-choice candidates in the respective Democratic primaries) and was generally aligned with them on most issues.
- Don't support tax cuts, especially for high earners. I have a relatively high HHI and pay a combined ~40-45% tax rate between federal and state taxes (high-tax state) and think this is appropriate for people at and above my income level. I believe in people paying their fair share and think the top 1-2% of earners should be taxed significantly more. I support an increased estate tax.
- I think military spending is important and reducing it is not a priority for me. I support foreign interventions in some cases.
- I support gay rights and the Obergefell decision, and don't agree that "religious liberty" should somehow allow discrimination against LGBTQ people in any sphere. I think people should use whatever public bathroom they feel more comfortable in. I agree that transgender athletes participating in women's sports is a problem, but I'm able to recognize that it is a relatively minor issue in the big picture. I do not include pronouns in my work email signature, even though my employer allows it and many people do (I find the concept a bit ridiculous). As far as the gender culture wars go, I personally fall on the more moderate/conservative end of the spectrum, but this is mainly an annoyance, not something I would vote R over.
- I don't support legalizing drugs as a general matter. I understand the arguments for decriminalizing pot, and am politically ambivalent on it. I personally hate it in general and also how it's become ubiquitous in areas where it's decriminalized.
- I support tough on crime measures and I like police (not in a "Blue Lives Matter" way, but I have no problem with the police and think that they have been demonized over the past few years. I do agree that some reforms in policing may be needed, but don't support funding cuts or paring back police forces. I am not white if that matters.) I live in a state that passed bail reform a few years ago and strongly disagree with how the law is designed and implemented.
- I support spending on social programs like SNAP/WIC, expanded Medicaid, and generally anything that helps the poor get by. Probably not to the level that the progressive wing of the Democratic party would want, though (just because their proposals are somewhat unrealistic). I don't think a $15 national minimum wage is realistic, but I would support some kind of policy that pegged the minimum wage in each state to the living wage in the area.
- I support Biden's plan for canceling $10,000 of student debt per borrower. I think there are problems with canceling all debt, but this seems like a good middle ground. I would support making community college free.
- I support all of the gun control measures that the Democratic party has put forth in the past decades. I think universal background checks, prohibiting mentally ill individuals from obtaining guns, closing gun show loopholes, and general common-sense measures are a minimum requirement. I would love for assault-style weapons
to be banned. On a personal level, I hate guns and would like to see gun permits severely restricted (preferably just to police and military), the end of concealed carry, etc., but that will never happen.
- I think climate change is a real and pressing issue, and think the federal government needs to act on a sweeping basis. I would support any Democratic bill to address climate change, regardless of cost.
- I think the Democratic party has lost the plot on immigration, particularly with respect to the southern border. What we have is tantamount to an open border, and I think the asylum system as it currently exists is one massive loophole that is not being used as intended. I think current Democratic policy essentially equates to not enforcing our immigration laws, and it is frustrating. I actually don't think Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was a bad idea, and think it should be continued. I am 100% fine with deporting undocumented immigrants (particularly those who have committed crimes), support mandatory and universal use of e-Verify, and support DACA on a limited basis for those who entered the United States prior to a cutoff date that is strictly enforced. But I don't believe that Republicans actually want to fix the problem in good faith either.

The one issue where I'd consider myself to be left of the average "moderate Democrat" is that I'm extremely, stringently pro-choice in all situations. I think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on abortion, late-term abortion, minor abortion, any of it. Most moderates that I know personally are okay with some limitations or just don't consider this to be a priority. I'm a one-issue voter on this issue in that I will never ever vote for an anti-choice politician of any party.

This is mostly me though I support decriminalizing pot. I don't use it myself, but think it's ridiculous to criminalize pot but allow alcohol. Either we allow both or we don't allow either (and we know how prohibition went).

+1 yup. I’m with PP also but pro-pot.

Get tough on violent crime, foreign intervention where actually necessary, support troops and veterans, don’t go crazy with the woke issues, enforce the border with sensible immigration reform.

Yes on social programs, worry about how we spend taxes and actually tax high earners. Find a good middle ground on labor issues that doesn’t hurt small businesses but prevents worker exploitation. Yes on LGBTQ rights and pro choice. Yes on climate change action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

The OP didn’t ask anyone to do that, so it’s not the topic of the thread.

The entire topic of the thread is moderate Democrats. Stop being disruptive.

[Anonymous]

Moderate Democrats would support the moderate Democrats nominated by the Democratic Party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get rid of that embarrassment Santos first and then we will see.

Santos is not an embarrassment to the republicans party. He is their core beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


In the unlikely event that this comment was made in good faith, I identify as a "moderate Democrat" and here are my general politics. Happy now?

- Voted for Obama, HRC, Biden (all my first-choice candidates in the respective Democratic primaries) and was generally aligned with them on most issues.
- Don't support tax cuts, especially for high earners. I have a relatively high HHI and pay a combined ~40-45% tax rate between federal and state taxes (high-tax state) and think this is appropriate for people at and above my income level. I believe in people paying their fair share and think the top 1-2% of earners should be taxed significantly more. I support an increased estate tax.
- I think military spending is important and reducing it is not a priority for me. I support foreign interventions in some cases.
- I support gay rights and the Obergefell decision, and don't agree that "religious liberty" should somehow allow discrimination against LGBTQ people in any sphere. I think people should use whatever public bathroom they feel more comfortable in. I agree that transgender athletes participating in women's sports is a problem, but I'm able to recognize that it is a relatively minor issue in the big picture. I do not include pronouns in my work email signature, even though my employer allows it and many people do (I find the concept a bit ridiculous). As far as the gender culture wars go, I personally fall on the more moderate/conservative end of the spectrum, but this is mainly an annoyance, not something I would vote R over.
- I don't support legalizing drugs as a general matter. I understand the arguments for decriminalizing pot, and am politically ambivalent on it. I personally hate it in general and also how it's become ubiquitous in areas where it's decriminalized.
- I support tough on crime measures and I like police (not in a "Blue Lives Matter" way, but I have no problem with the police and think that they have been demonized over the past few years. I do agree that some reforms in policing may be needed, but don't support funding cuts or paring back police forces. I am not white if that matters.) I live in a state that passed bail reform a few years ago and strongly disagree with how the law is designed and implemented.
- I support spending on social programs like SNAP/WIC, expanded Medicaid, and generally anything that helps the poor get by. Probably not to the level that the progressive wing of the Democratic party would want, though (just because their proposals are somewhat unrealistic). I don't think a $15 national minimum wage is realistic, but I would support some kind of policy that pegged the minimum wage in each state to the living wage in the area.
- I support Biden's plan for canceling $10,000 of student debt per borrower. I think there are problems with canceling all debt, but this seems like a good middle ground. I would support making community college free.
- I support all of the gun control measures that the Democratic party has put forth in the past decades. I think universal background checks, prohibiting mentally ill individuals from obtaining guns, closing gun show loopholes, and general common-sense measures are a minimum requirement. I would love for assault-style weapons
to be banned. On a personal level, I hate guns and would like to see gun permits severely restricted (preferably just to police and military), the end of concealed carry, etc., but that will never happen.
- I think climate change is a real and pressing issue, and think the federal government needs to act on a sweeping basis. I would support any Democratic bill to address climate change, regardless of cost.
- I think the Democratic party has lost the plot on immigration, particularly with respect to the southern border. What we have is tantamount to an open border, and I think the asylum system as it currently exists is one massive loophole that is not being used as intended. I think current Democratic policy essentially equates to not enforcing our immigration laws, and it is frustrating. I actually don't think Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was a bad idea, and think it should be continued. I am 100% fine with deporting undocumented immigrants (particularly those who have committed crimes), support mandatory and universal use of e-Verify, and support DACA on a limited basis for those who entered the United States prior to a cutoff date that is strictly enforced. But I don't believe that Republicans actually want to fix the problem in good faith either.

The one issue where I'd consider myself to be left of the average "moderate Democrat" is that I'm extremely, stringently pro-choice in all situations. I think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on abortion, late-term abortion, minor abortion, any of it. Most moderates that I know personally are okay with some limitations or just don't consider this to be a priority. I'm a one-issue voter on this issue in that I will never ever vote for an anti-choice politician of any party.

This describes my positions almost exactly except I don't hate guns as much as PP (I grew up in a hunting family) but I do want gun ownership and use regulated at least as stringently as we regulate the right to own and drive an automobile. And I too would like to ban assault weapons. Everything else---including the liberal pro-choice position---I agree with. The 2nd term abortion canard is just that---very few women have 2nd trimester abortions and those that do have them for legitimate and serious reasons. I too support much higher progressivity in taxation, and a much higher estate tax. Just read an interesting article tying the richest family dynasties in America to the concerted efforts over the last several decades to significantly eliminate estate tax liability, and what that has meant for growing income inequality. To the above list I would add that I think that gerrymandering needs to be addressed because the current political system is too weighted to the extremes. When districts are either reliably blue or reliably red, that leads to extremists in both parties taking over and creates an unwillingness to compromise on both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

The OP didn’t ask anyone to do that, so it’s not the topic of the thread.

The entire topic of the thread is moderate Democrats. Stop being disruptive.

The topic is not “what is a moderate Democrat?” The topic assumes the existence of moderate Democrats (duh) and asks them whether they would vote for establishment Republicans. The PP who thinks that moderate Democrats don’t exist is the poster who is being disruptive, as dlusional people often are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

Modern GOP would call Eisenhower a woke socialist.

[Anonymous]

Nope, would never vote Republican despite agreeing with some fiscal issues. Their entire agenda seems to be finding ways to limit, or eliminate, rights. That's their platform. The democrats, "woke" or not, are about enhancing or granting rights a la "more rights for you doesn't equal fewer rights for me." I'm also staunchly pro-choice, similar to long-post PP above. I just don't see why the government should be involved at all. Leave it to women and their doctors.