If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

[Anonymous]

I will continue to vote D because they are not actively taking rights away. It isn’t great, but it also isn’t nothing/negative.

Re: Israel. There was a story on the news last night. The government there needs to stop their aggressive tactics that predictably cause the Palestinians to fight back. It’s like they are goading them at this point. Does the world just want this conflict to continue in perpetuity? Because NOT calling out the government for their policies just leads to more strife and bloodshed. There is no reasonable way to end this without allowing the Palestinians a homeland, as well. That is honestly the only sensible solution, but we keep acting like it is unspeakable. Let all these people live as peacefully as possible-sheesh.

-lifelong Dem and not an anti-Semite

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At this time, no. I was an R until 2016 when it was clear that Trump was the nominee. It was like my blinders were removed. I do feel like I don't belong to a party as Dems are too socially extreme for me on so many things.

That said, I'm a woman still in childbearing years but finished having children. I have four teenagers, two of which are girls. I don't feel that anyone should have a say in the personal lives of another. I've been through enough and am a Labor and Delivery nurse. The number of things that go wrong in pregnancy...people overlook it or are just ignorant. I live in a Red state and women will die because they are forced to wait until they are septic or nearly septic to receive necessary care. Full disclosure, I was 100% pro life just 12 years ago. Then it happened to me.

Unless you've been there, who are you to dictate what happens to my body? I'm a Christian and a nurse and my conscience is clear.

That should be the motto of Planned Parenthood. I was 100% pro life -- then it happened to me.

Also "I was 100% pro-2A -- then a lunatic shot up my kid's school."

So many Republicans have staunch opinions, until life happens to them.

+1 See also stem cell research when they finally admitted that Reagan had Alzheimer’s. And gay rights when Cheney had a lesbian daughter.

[Anonymous]

Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

[Anonymous]

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Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

So the Democrats make eradication of violence against women as much of a priority for the party as they did reproductive rights for women in the many, many years before Roe was repealed.

I don’t think you are making the successful argument you think you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

So the Democrats make eradication of violence against women as much of a priority for the party as they did reproductive rights for women in the many, many years before Roe was repealed.

I don’t think you are making the successful argument you think you are.

Who do you think was fighting every step down the slippery slope over the last fifty years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this time, no. I was an R until 2016 when it was clear that Trump was the nominee. It was like my blinders were removed. I do feel like I don't belong to a party as Dems are too socially extreme for me on so many things.

That said, I'm a woman still in childbearing years but finished having children. I have four teenagers, two of which are girls. I don't feel that anyone should have a say in the personal lives of another. I've been through enough and am a Labor and Delivery nurse. The number of things that go wrong in pregnancy...people overlook it or are just ignorant. I live in a Red state and women will die because they are forced to wait until they are septic or nearly septic to receive necessary care. Full disclosure, I was 100% pro life just 12 years ago. Then it happened to me.

Unless you've been there, who are you to dictate what happens to my body? I'm a Christian and a nurse and my conscience is clear.

I don't mean this in an attack type way, but I find it fascinating that you were a Republican but pro-choice for the last 12 years. Taking away choice has been a major priority for the Republicans since Roe. I just don't understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will continue to vote D because they are not actively taking rights away. It isn’t great, but it also isn’t nothing/negative.

Re: Israel. There was a story on the news last night. The government there needs to stop their aggressive tactics that predictably cause the Palestinians to fight back. It’s like they are goading them at this point. Does the world just want this conflict to continue in perpetuity? Because NOT calling out the government for their policies just leads to more strife and bloodshed. There is no reasonable way to end this without allowing the Palestinians a homeland, as well. That is honestly the only sensible solution, but we keep acting like it is unspeakable. Let all these people live as peacefully as possible-sheesh.

-lifelong Dem and not an anti-Semite

I lived in Israel for a couple of years in the mid '10's and at that time I predicted that Israel would end up like South Africa did - isolated from the international community due to their apartheid-type actions. I no longer think that. The US is siding with the hard-liners. Trump was active about it. Biden is passive, but is still doing it. Arab and Gulf states are abandoning the Palestinians. Europe doesn't have the time or energy, and the liberals in the Israeli populace can't quite overcome the fear of true integration to vote for politicians in favor of it. Meanwhile, the Israeli government is taking more and more Palestinian land for settlements and creating right/right wing voters as a result. I don't know how it ends, but it doesn't look god for the Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

So the Democrats make eradication of violence against women as much of a priority for the party as they did reproductive rights for women in the many, many years before Roe was repealed.

I don’t think you are making the successful argument you think you are.

Who do you think was fighting every step down the slippery slope over the last fifty years?

I’m a DP— the one who initially said women deserve better but I still vote D— and I think this is illustrative. Dems have had major legislative wins in things the republicans were equally opposed to, Obamacare comes to mind, when those are agreed to be the priority. Women never are. Something is always more important and they’ll get to us soon they promise…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

So the Democrats make eradication of violence against women as much of a priority for the party as they did reproductive rights for women in the many, many years before Roe was repealed.

I don’t think you are making the successful argument you think you are.

Who do you think was fighting every step down the slippery slope over the last fifty years?

Not the mainstream Democratic Party. Most of those politicians could not care less about women’s reproductive rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

So the Democrats make eradication of violence against women as much of a priority for the party as they did reproductive rights for women in the many, many years before Roe was repealed.

I don’t think you are making the successful argument you think you are.

Who do you think was fighting every step down the slippery slope over the last fifty years?

I’m a DP— the one who initially said women deserve better but I still vote D— and I think this is illustrative. Dems have had major legislative wins in things the republicans were equally opposed to, Obamacare comes to mind, when those are agreed to be the priority. Women never are. Something is always more important and they’ll get to us soon they promise…

+1

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will continue to vote D because they are not actively taking rights away. It isn’t great, but it also isn’t nothing/negative.

Re: Israel. There was a story on the news last night. The government there needs to stop their aggressive tactics that predictably cause the Palestinians to fight back. It’s like they are goading them at this point. Does the world just want this conflict to continue in perpetuity? Because NOT calling out the government for their policies just leads to more strife and bloodshed. There is no reasonable way to end this without allowing the Palestinians a homeland, as well. That is honestly the only sensible solution, but we keep acting like it is unspeakable. Let all these people live as peacefully as possible-sheesh.

-lifelong Dem and not an anti-Semite

I lived in Israel for a couple of years in the mid '10's and at that time I predicted that Israel would end up like South Africa did - isolated from the international community due to their apartheid-type actions. I no longer think that. The US is siding with the hard-liners. Trump was active about it. Biden is passive, but is still doing it. Arab and Gulf states are abandoning the Palestinians. Europe doesn't have the time or energy, and the liberals in the Israeli populace can't quite overcome the fear of true integration to vote for politicians in favor of it. Meanwhile, the Israeli government is taking more and more Palestinian land for settlements and creating right/right wing voters as a result. I don't know how it ends, but it doesn't look god for the Palestinians.

I honestly am glad to meet you-I feel like I’m the only person who sees the parallels to South Africa.

I don’t have the personal experience, but as an outsider with no ties one way or another, it is hard not to see the whole settlement process as an act against their neighbors.

Enough already - 2 states. That is the only sane solution here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain the misogyny and racism of the far left?

This is a genuine question, I promise.

This is a very complex topic, and I can’t give the subject nearly enough fair airtime here. Sometimes I think it is easier to talk about examples, so here are a few that come to mind:

Misogyny:
- I […]

The difference between the “far left” and the “far right” is that the “far left” is still far. It’s not mainstreamed, it’s a lot of people on twitter and in coffeehouses. The “far right” is the GOP. When you bOtH sIdEs complex topics into a flat plane, you’re doing a massive disservice to the actual issue. What you’re doing is effectively gaslighting. Horseshoe theory is real, but again: the “far right” is now the GOP; the same can’t be said of the far left and the Democrats.

And I actually hate a lot of the verbiage around trans issues. Nope, sorry, if a doctor refers to me, a pregnant woman, as a pregnant person, I will flipping hit the fan. But at least the doctors and medical scholars using those idiotic phrases (“chest feeding,” “menstruating person”) are trying to be expansive for the trans people who are maligned and frequently subject to violence. The Democratic Party is the only one trying to protect womens rights while the GOP wants us barefoot and pregnant, unable to make any decisions about our own lives.

Tl;dr: you’re flattening a complex issue in an attempt to… seem open minded? Be a political edge lord? The GOP is effed. Dead.

I am the one who said there's overlap in the far left and the far right, and I see it in a number of areas. Immigration is one, isolationism, reflexive anti-Israelism. There are others, too. Look what Tulsi Gabbard stands for an you'l'll find some of it.

I am fervently pro-trans rights and also bristle at the term "pregnant person" - I think some of these issues are complicated, socially and legally, and at least on the left we're doing our best to get to the most humane and fair place, while on the right it's just nasty regressive bigoted nonsense. Intent matters, I think.

I'm a lifelong lesbian who's been in a committed relationship with the same woman for 30 years, and when we got married in 1998 I "bristled" at using the term "wife."

I don't anymore. Because I evolved.

PP to whom you’re responding. Congrats, I guess? The term “wife” doesn’t erase the fact that both you and your wife were wives, as in the term for a married woman. The term “pregnant person” erases the literal billions of women who have given birth in favor of a few dozen to a few thousand trans men who give birth. It’d idiotic and misogynistic.

[Anonymous]

I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Seriously, you can agree with the far left about 90% of issues, but they will throw you overboard for that 10%. Wasn’t that long ago that fighting for gay rights made you a progressive. Now, that’s ancient history, and you’re a bigot for disagreeing with some aspects of trans rights.