If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Seriously, you can agree with the far left about 90% of issues, but they will throw you overboard for that 10%. Wasn’t that long ago that fighting for gay rights made you a progressive. Now, that’s ancient history, and you’re a bigot for disagreeing with some aspects of trans rights.

But here in reality: the GOP keeps chasing out the normal Republicans. They keep getting primaried and they keep losing for not being sufficiently horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Oooh and that famously big tent GOP.

I guess they’re pretty big tent when it comes to crimes. Rape, domestic abuse, pedophilia, fraud, lewd conduct, sedition, treason - it’s all good in the GOP. In fact, like dirty cops, they’re shielded by the party consequences.

And then of course there’s the violence and threat of same that the GOP has come to rely on to keep people in line.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Oooh and that famously big tent GOP.

I guess they’re pretty big tent when it comes to crimes. Rape, domestic abuse, pedophilia, fraud, lewd conduct, sedition, treason - it’s all good in the GOP. In fact, like dirty cops, they’re shielded by the party consequences.

And then of course there’s the violence and threat of same that the GOP has come to rely on to keep people in line.

Never said the GOP was amazing. Classic whataboutism.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

What does that mean exactly? How does getting cancelled work? Who gets to do this? Is there some sort of “far left” adjudication system that addresses these sort of things? Are there examples of people who stepped out of line and got cancelled? I’m interested in understanding this.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Oooh and that famously big tent GOP.

I guess they’re pretty big tent when it comes to crimes. Rape, domestic abuse, pedophilia, fraud, lewd conduct, sedition, treason - it’s all good in the GOP. In fact, like dirty cops, they’re shielded by the party consequences.

And then of course there’s the violence and threat of same that the GOP has come to rely on to keep people in line.

Never said the GOP was amazing. Classic whataboutism.

It’s not whataboutism to point out that the GOP sucks, on a thread whose subject is whether people close to the middle would consider voting for the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

What does that mean exactly? How does getting cancelled work? Who gets to do this? Is there some sort of “far left” adjudication system that addresses these sort of things? Are there examples of people who stepped out of line and got cancelled? I’m interested in understanding this.

Jk Rowling, for starters.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

What does that mean exactly? How does getting cancelled work? Who gets to do this? Is there some sort of “far left” adjudication system that addresses these sort of things? Are there examples of people who stepped out of line and got cancelled? I’m interested in understanding this.

Woman loses job for who she follows on Twitter. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11675683/amp/Video-game-company-fires-employee-follows-conservative-Twitter-accounts.html

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

What does that mean exactly? How does getting cancelled work? Who gets to do this? Is there some sort of “far left” adjudication system that addresses these sort of things? Are there examples of people who stepped out of line and got cancelled? I’m interested in understanding this.

Usually, an online Twitter mob goes after you and drags your name in the mud. Journalists may or may not up the ante and write stories on top of it. Most institutions don't want the negative press, so they drop you. Some bounce back. Others struggle.

Big names include Dave Chappelle, JK Rowling, Ellen DeGeneres, Matt Damon, and Gina Carano.

Here's an example of a normal guy who got canceled for cracking his knuckles the wrong way:

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2020/nov/25/cover-sdge-line-man-fired-white-power-sign/

Happens to CEOs and college professors as well.

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Yet do I ever hear Democratic politicians organizing a campaign to target domestic violence? Do Democratic politicians ever run on a platform of how women are subject to violence? Sure, let’s pretend the Democratic Party is “inclusive” but who cares about the number of women literally murdered by men every day or children sex trafficked over the border.

Look into the Violence Against Women Act and note who voted for it, who sponsored it, and who keeps it from being renewed when it needs to be.

So the Democrats make eradication of violence against women as much of a priority for the party as they did reproductive rights for women in the many, many years before Roe was repealed.

I don’t think you are making the successful argument you think you are.

Who do you think was fighting every step down the slippery slope over the last fifty years?

I’m a DP— the one who initially said women deserve better but I still vote D— and I think this is illustrative. Dems have had major legislative wins in things the republicans were equally opposed to, Obamacare comes to mind, when those are agreed to be the priority. Women never are. Something is always more important and they’ll get to us soon they promise…

NP. Reminds me of the voting rights act. Not important enough, except at election time. Yet, I will never willingly vote for a republican again. I am forever forced to reluctantly vote for a Democrat. As long as I continue to have a right to vote, my dead ancestors will not allow me to forgo voting, so I must hold my nose and vote for a Democrat candidate because that candidate is better than the alternative. I’m in my fifties, so in my lifetime I have voted for both parties, but now the Republicans are batshit crazy as a collective. They don’t even believe in fiscal policy anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I will continue to vote D because they are not actively taking rights away. It isn’t great, but it also isn’t nothing/negative.

Re: Israel. There was a story on the news last night. The government there needs to stop their aggressive tactics that predictably cause the Palestinians to fight back. It’s like they are goading them at this point. Does the world just want this conflict to continue in perpetuity? Because NOT calling out the government for their policies just leads to more strife and bloodshed. There is no reasonable way to end this without allowing the Palestinians a homeland, as well. That is honestly the only sensible solution, but we keep acting like it is unspeakable. Let all these people live as peacefully as possible-sheesh.

-lifelong Dem and not an anti-Semite

I lived in Israel for a couple of years in the mid '10's and at that time I predicted that Israel would end up like South Africa did - isolated from the international community due to their apartheid-type actions. I no longer think that. The US is siding with the hard-liners. Trump was active about it. Biden is passive, but is still doing it. Arab and Gulf states are abandoning the Palestinians. Europe doesn't have the time or energy, and the liberals in the Israeli populace can't quite overcome the fear of true integration to vote for politicians in favor of it. Meanwhile, the Israeli government is taking more and more Palestinian land for settlements and creating right/right wing voters as a result. I don't know how it ends, but it doesn't look god for the Palestinians.

I honestly am glad to meet you-I feel like I’m the only person who sees the parallels to South Africa.

I don’t have the personal experience, but as an outsider with no ties one way or another, it is hard not to see the whole settlement process as an act against their neighbors.

Enough already - 2 states. That is the only sane solution here.

You are not the only one who sees the parallel.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

What does that mean exactly? How does getting cancelled work? Who gets to do this? Is there some sort of “far left” adjudication system that addresses these sort of things? Are there examples of people who stepped out of line and got cancelled? I’m interested in understanding this.

Jk Rowling, for starters.

A British children’s author and one of the wealthiest women in the world has had people say they disagree with her views and are disappointed by her. That’s “canceling”? Let me be cancelled if I get the billions of dollars please.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Seriously, you can agree with the far left about 90% of issues, but they will throw you overboard for that 10%. Wasn’t that long ago that fighting for gay rights made you a progressive. Now, that’s ancient history, and you’re a bigot for disagreeing with some aspects of trans rights.

There are democrats in office getting funding from the DNC who actively oppose a woman’s right to bodily autonomy. Tell me more about the mighty power of the left?

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Anonymous wrote:Can you explain the misogyny and racism of the far left?

This is a genuine question, I promise.

This is a very complex topic, and I can’t give the subject nearly enough fair airtime here. Sometimes I think it is easier to talk about examples, so here are a few that come to mind:

Misogyny:
- I […]

The difference between the “far left” and the “far right” is that the “far left” is still far. It’s not mainstreamed, it’s a lot of people on twitter and in coffeehouses. The “far right” is the GOP. When you bOtH sIdEs complex topics into a flat plane, you’re doing a massive disservice to the actual issue. What you’re doing is effectively gaslighting. Horseshoe theory is real, but again: the “far right” is now the GOP; the same can’t be said of the far left and the Democrats.

And I actually hate a lot of the verbiage around trans issues. Nope, sorry, if a doctor refers to me, a pregnant woman, as a pregnant person, I will flipping hit the fan. But at least the doctors and medical scholars using those idiotic phrases (“chest feeding,” “menstruating person”) are trying to be expansive for the trans people who are maligned and frequently subject to violence. The Democratic Party is the only one trying to protect womens rights while the GOP wants us barefoot and pregnant, unable to make any decisions about our own lives.

Tl;dr: you’re flattening a complex issue in an attempt to… seem open minded? Be a political edge lord? The GOP is effed. Dead.

I am the one who said there's overlap in the far left and the far right, and I see it in a number of areas. Immigration is one, isolationism, reflexive anti-Israelism. There are others, too. Look what Tulsi Gabbard stands for an you'l'll find some of it.

I am fervently pro-trans rights and also bristle at the term "pregnant person" - I think some of these issues are complicated, socially and legally, and at least on the left we're doing our best to get to the most humane and fair place, while on the right it's just nasty regressive bigoted nonsense. Intent matters, I think.

I'm a lifelong lesbian who's been in a committed relationship with the same woman for 30 years, and when we got married in 1998 I "bristled" at using the term "wife."

I don't anymore. Because I evolved.

Good for you. I guess have enough purity tests with language, and you and a couple thousand other people who pass the test can be alone on the island trying to advocate for reproductive rights. Seems like a great strategy!

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Anonymous wrote:I will continue to vote D because they are not actively taking rights away. It isn’t great, but it also isn’t nothing/negative.

Re: Israel. There was a story on the news last night. The government there needs to stop their aggressive tactics that predictably cause the Palestinians to fight back. It’s like they are goading them at this point. Does the world just want this conflict to continue in perpetuity? Because NOT calling out the government for their policies just leads to more strife and bloodshed. There is no reasonable way to end this without allowing the Palestinians a homeland, as well. That is honestly the only sensible solution, but we keep acting like it is unspeakable. Let all these people live as peacefully as possible-sheesh.

-lifelong Dem and not an anti-Semite

I lived in Israel for a couple of years in the mid '10's and at that time I predicted that Israel would end up like South Africa did - isolated from the international community due to their apartheid-type actions. I no longer think that. The US is siding with the hard-liners. Trump was active about it. Biden is passive, but is still doing it. Arab and Gulf states are abandoning the Palestinians. Europe doesn't have the time or energy, and the liberals in the Israeli populace can't quite overcome the fear of true integration to vote for politicians in favor of it. Meanwhile, the Israeli government is taking more and more Palestinian land for settlements and creating right/right wing voters as a result. I don't know how it ends, but it doesn't look god for the Palestinians.

I honestly am glad to meet you-I feel like I’m the only person who sees the parallels to South Africa.

I don’t have the personal experience, but as an outsider with no ties one way or another, it is hard not to see the whole settlement process as an act against their neighbors.

Enough already - 2 states. That is the only sane solution here.

I am the PP who raised Israel as an issue - and I agree with both of you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a moderate democrat. Since this is anonymous, I would consider voting for a normal Republican. I would never say that in public. I live in a blue city with a lot of violent crime. My kids take public transportation to school and have to ride the subway with junkies and crazy people. The public schools suck and standards are being lowered. Crime is out of control.

I think most people in the democratic party are out of touch with normal working people. They also have their heads in the sand in regards to many issues. They just seem to pander to the far left.

Because the far left will cancel you if you step out of line.

Seriously, you can agree with the far left about 90% of issues, but they will throw you overboard for that 10%. Wasn’t that long ago that fighting for gay rights made you a progressive. Now, that’s ancient history, and you’re a bigot for disagreeing with some aspects of trans rights.

The people who are going to throw you out are loudmouths on Twitter - not the establishment D party. Loudmouths on Twitter don't rule the party. Loudmouths on Twitter DO rule the R party.