Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

Classic failure of misunderstanding a study. Those specific students would lose their places, because even among Asian applicants it's not necessarily all the highest scoring ones who are accepted. But it doesn't mean those 21% would lose their seats to non-Asians (most likely just other Asians)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

LOL please

Have you met an Asian UMC parents ever?

"Most want community college" LMAO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

Yeah well Asians are getting unfairly rejected at state schools, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

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If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

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If that was the case, they'd be arguing against legacy and athletics hooks. But they're not.

They should and they ARE.

SFFA isn't.

[Anonymous]

Imho there should be cases against all sort of discrimination in supposedly "fair admissions", not just race based but legacy, donation, geography, sports etc.

Colleges should come clear and let go of benefits afforded as non profits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

+1

If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

+1

If that was the case, they'd be arguing against legacy and athletics hooks. But they're not.

They should and they ARE.

SFFA isn't.

If you raise too many points, it dilutes the case but winning one case reflects well on other valid points.

[Anonymous]

I don't support or back all the points lawyers in this case are making but at least these cases are making it a national debate. We can only better our policies and systems by discussion.

[Anonymous]

The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

LOL please

Have you met an Asian UMC parents ever?

"Most want community college" LMAO

From what i hear, cost and major or track is the deciding factor. Obviously majority isn't competitive enough to consider ivies a real choice no matter discrimination is in play or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

LOL please

Have you met an Asian UMC parents ever?

"Most want community college" LMAO

From what i hear, cost and major or track is the deciding factor. Obviously majority isn't competitive enough to consider ivies a real choice no matter discrimination is in play or not.

*competitive enough considering limited quota seats

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

They still are reflecting light on discrimination, even if for their own gain.

[Anonymous]

As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

[Anonymous]

They are demystifying the myth of "holistic admissions" hence end result would make admissions more transparent.

[Anonymous]

This^. If colleges stop using holistic admissions and non profit status, they can stop being answerable to public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

PP, whites here think your kids already have a fair shot. Let POTUS decide next year. It looked like they are going to kill it.