Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also colleges in some other countries actually do that. I wonder who this would benefit 🤔

That would benefit those who enrich and prep as aspects of those tests can be prepared for, and students with enrichment do better on standardized tests across the board. My kids participate in an NIH study that uses IQ testing, and the head of the study confirmed that they don't measure intelligence.

Of course somebody you know confirmed it while it's used in numerous counties

Why countries use actual IQ testing? It does not scale. Those tests are done 1:1 for several hours, usually over a few days. I’d be curious what countries do this and who they are testing (just the rich kids?)

You can nitpick that NNAT/CogAt are not IQ test, but those are used to identify gifted/smart kids.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

You are arguing that Asians and Jews are not more qualified for college than other students... because Asians and Jews "just" studied and worked harder than other students as well as strategizing for years about how to get into college. (Oh is that all, lmao.)

Seriously?

You're so dumb you don't even know you're proving the opposite of the point you want to make. Yes, nitwit, students who study hard in high school and who have long-term plans for getting into college are absolutely more qualified to be in college than students who don't do all that work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

We already have decades of legal precedent that says no they can't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?

? Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well, hence the "model minority". Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

Signed,

A white right-wing, Trumpist

how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them. Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 percent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating.

Ah, yes...those nefarious Asians and "plotting, scheming" Jews. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

We already have decades of legal precedent that says no they can't.

actually, it seems that we have decades of legal precedent (about to overturned by a court with no respect for precedent) that said they could.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

and why should they do that? because you think they should?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

and why should they do that? because you think they should?

No beceasue they have to follow laws and regulations such as no racial quota and soon no race in admission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

and why should they do that? because you think they should?

Why shouldn't any institution be allowed to have race quotas if they want to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

and why should they do that? because you think they should?

No beceasue they have to follow laws and regulations such as no racial quota and soon no race in admission.

so they're currently breaking the law?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

and why should they do that? because you think they should?

Why shouldn't any institution be allowed to have race quotas if they want to?

you keep using this word 'quota'. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

How odd that you assume my kids aren’t athletes.

well, then you're screwing other kids and are being shameless about "my kids' harm". Congratulations.

Fact regardless your kids aren’t getting into Harvard. But like most kids who want to get into college they will get in somewhere. You are very angry. Find some balance or you won’t live long enough to see your kids grow up and become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine. They aren’t that special and no one is owed a Harvard admit, I mean faculty kids are owed but no one else is. Lighten up buttercup.

OK so now let's apply these arguments to African-Americans. They'll get into college somewhere, they'll become everyday ordinary cogs in the giant machine, they're not owed a Harvard admit. Ergo, we can get rid of affirmative action. Right?

They’re not owed it but if the college chooses to institute it then they can.

Become a private entity and give up all the tax benefits and state/federal aids, then institue it.

and why should they do that? because you think they should?

No beceasue they have to follow laws and regulations such as no racial quota and soon no race in admission.

so they're currently breaking the law?

yes race discrimination, the final verdic will come out next year from the Supremet Court