Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

[Anonymous]

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Trust me, the standard of decency is not the support of AA. Embracing diversity implies acceptance of views without passing value judgement. You done exhibit any of that. Most Asians are supportive of diversity but very skeptical when it comes to AA. That is because universities use the veneer of AA to push across discrimination to the detriment of Asian Americans. Once AA is gone, there will be other better mechanisms that emerge to foster diversity and inclusion. But AA is way past its shelf life.

[Anonymous]

AA =/= diversity
AA = another way to f'k Asians from achieving their dreams

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Diversity through the support in preparing whoever need help to achieve the merit that prizes are based on, not just directly give out prizes so certain quota are met regardless of academic achievement.
In practice, states and communities should provide additional tutoring, additional extra curriculum to students that fall behind through K-12. Do whatever we can additionally to help the kids who are behind, but in the end diplomas can only be awarded to those who have achieved the goal the diploma is worth. So is the college admission solely based on merit.
This is how we should achieve diversity on college campus, or any other career professions really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Diversity through the support in preparing whoever need help to achieve the merit that prizes are based on, not just directly give out prizes so certain quota are met regardless of academic achievement.
In practice, states and communities should provide additional tutoring, additional extra curriculum to students that fall behind through K-12. Do whatever we can additionally to help the kids who are behind, but in the end diplomas can only be awarded to those who have achieved the goal the diploma is worth. So is the college admission solely based on merit.
This is how we should achieve diversity on college campus, or any other career professions really.

Exactly. Giving free points just because of certain skin color is not even a quick fix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Trust me, the standard of decency is not the support of AA. Embracing diversity implies acceptance of views without passing value judgement. You done exhibit any of that. Most Asians are supportive of diversity but very skeptical when it comes to AA. That is because universities use the veneer of AA to push across discrimination to the detriment of Asian Americans. Once AA is gone, there will be other better mechanisms that emerge to foster diversity and inclusion. But AA is way past its shelf life.

69% of Asians support AA according to the article. The number was right there in front of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

Over 30 AAPI groups filed amicus brief(s) with Harvard and UNC

"The Advancing Justice affiliation with pro bono counsel, Ballard Spahr,submitted a separate amicus brief joined by 37 Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) civil rights groups, advocacy organizations, professionals, and student organizations in support of race-conscious admissions programs that improve equal access to educational opportunities for all."

"For centuries, communities of color, including Asian Americans, have struggled against racial discrimination and faced systemic barriers to education, employment, and immigration, among other challenges,” said John C. Yang, President and Executive Director of Advancing Justice – AAJC. “Race, ethnicity, and our lived experiences are integral parts of our personal story and collective history. Holistic admissions ensures all students have the opportunity to share their whole story in addition to their academic achievements.”

https://www.advancingjustice-aajc.org/press-release/asian-american-civil-rights-groups-file-amicus-briefs-support-holistic-admissions


Thankfully, the Asian American community is not a monolith.

Don’t have link because of paywall but recent Washington Post survey (last week) found well over 60% of Asians oppose affirmative action in college admissions…so ignore this OP and the thread, generally. It is also extremely patronizing and, well, racist, to suggest that Asian Americans are “stooges” who are being duped by the conservative founder of the litigation. They are not being duped; they know exactly what is going on.

+1 A civil rights organization represents itself and a handful of activists, and not the millions of Asian Americans in this country.

CA passed Prop 209 - anti affirmative action. CA is a majority minority state.

I am not against diversity, but I am against what Harvard is doing in regards to their process of rating applicants "likeability" where they don't even meet the applicant before deciding whether that person is likeable or not. Imagine doing that to a black person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

+1 another Korean American, but I think it might be generational, too.

Young people support affirmative action more than likely because they don't have near college aged children. Older people with teens don't support it as much from what I can see.

The vast majority do support aa for first gen and low income families, *just not for race alone*.

[Anonymous]

People can answer surveys however they want to, but when they're sitting in a voting booth, they still vote against affirmative action. It's happened twice in California so far

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Echoing the other posters but I’m Asian American and all Asian Americans I know who support AA have already gone to college/med school and don’t have kids. And I’d say it’s more of a 60/40 split of against/for AA.

I agree the article is very insulting to Asian Americans, trying to paint us as having been tricked by conservatives. Many Asians, including immigrants, actually are proud and happy conservatives themselves.

It's not "insulting. " It's the truth.

Asians are being used by conservative groups in an "us versus them" ploy.

And if you REALLY look at the Harvard SCOTUS case, the alleged discrimination against Asians on personal ratings, while proven untrue, has [b] nothing to do with affirmative action itself.[/b]

When affirmative action is banned next year, do personal ratings under holistic admissions get banned too? No. Because the personal ratings have nothing to do with race.

The SFFA is using apparent Asian " why aren't we getting into Harvard in higher percentages" grievance to ban race-conscious admissions.

DP.. disagree with bolded. Until you can provide evidence that shows that URM were given low "likeability" scores having never met the applicant at a similar rate to Asian Am. students, what Harvard is doing there is very much relevant. It is very much on point regarding the discrimination. Harvard had to find a way to give the Asian Am. applicants lower scores. They couldn't do that for academics, extra curriculuars, leadership, so they picked something that is completely subjective and easy to fudge: likeability.

This is *exactly* the method that Harvard used to weed out Jews back in the 1920s, so don't tell me a college wouldn't do that. They probably think it's fine to do that because in this case they are trying to admit a URM group rather than not. Regardless, the ends does not justify the means. It was a discriminatory practice then and it's a discriminatory practice now.

I have zero problems giving first gen, low income students priority, but *not by race alone*.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Echoing the other posters but I’m Asian American and all Asian Americans I know who support AA have already gone to college/med school and don’t have kids. And I’d say it’s more of a 60/40 split of against/for AA.

I agree the article is very insulting to Asian Americans, trying to paint us as having been tricked by conservatives. Many Asians, including immigrants, actually are proud and happy conservatives themselves.

It's not "insulting. " It's the truth.

Asians are being used by conservative groups in an "us versus them" ploy.

And if you REALLY look at the Harvard SCOTUS case, the alleged discrimination against Asians on personal ratings, while proven untrue, has [b] nothing to do with affirmative action itself.[/b]

When affirmative action is banned next year, do personal ratings under holistic admissions get banned too? No. Because the personal ratings have nothing to do with race.

The SFFA is using apparent Asian " why aren't we getting into Harvard in higher percentages" grievance to ban race-conscious admissions.

DP.. disagree with bolded. Until you can provide evidence that shows that URM were given low "likeability" scores having never met the applicant at a similar rate to Asian Am. students, what Harvard is doing there is very much relevant. It is very much on point regarding the discrimination. Harvard had to find a way to give the Asian Am. applicants lower scores. They couldn't do that for academics, extra curriculuars, leadership, so they picked something that is completely subjective and easy to fudge: likeability.

This is *exactly* the method that Harvard used to weed out Jews back in the 1920s, so don't tell me a college wouldn't do that. They probably think it's fine to do that because in this case they are trying to admit a URM group rather than not. Regardless, the ends does not justify the means. It was a discriminatory practice then and it's a discriminatory practice now.

I have zero problems giving first gen, low income students priority, but *not by race alone*.

Different issue than affirmative action.

IF Asians - as a group, not as individuals- were discriminated against in the case ( lower courts said no) with these personal ratings, it would be because of their race, no?

IF true, it would imply that the affirmative action narrowly used to consider race one of many factors in college admissions, is still needed to protect Asians - from racial discrimination.

If affirmative action is banned, the personal rating methodology still remains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Different PP but no. The purpose of college is to educate, not to engage in dubious social experiments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is asian support for AA in surveys because they want to appear woke. When it's put for a vote like in california though which is as liberal as they get, it fails. Why do you think that is. A lot of asians support it because they've already gotten into a good college and succeeded and they don't care if others are discriminated against until their own kids are applying to schools.

This is a good point. People who get into colleges themselves, seems to be happy about their good fortune but not concerned about others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is asian support for AA in surveys because they want to appear woke. When it's put for a vote like in california though which is as liberal as they get, it fails. Why do you think that is. A lot of asians support it because they've already gotten into a good college and succeeded and they don't care if others are discriminated against until their own kids are applying to schools.

This is a good point. People who get into colleges themselves, seems to be happy about their good fortune but not concerned about others.

People of all races who benefit from special programs, how many of them go back to their communities to make them better?