Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

[Anonymous]

* This^. If colleges stop using cloak of "holistic admissions" and non profit status, they can stop being answerable to public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

PP, whites here think your kids already have a fair shot. Let POTUS decide next year. It looked like they are going to kill it.

*I meant SCOTUS obviously

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

Yeah well Asians are getting unfairly rejected at state schools, too.

Proof?

Stop the grievance. It's a disservice to the diverse Asian American community.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The S.F.F.A. doesn't care about Asians. They want to keep the white numbers up and URM numbers down.

"The point of this observation from Chin, Cho, Kang, and Wu is that ending affirmative action for African American and Latino applicants will not end white advantage. If affirmative action is eliminated, negative action could still advantage white applicants over Asian Americans in competing for the bulk of admissions slots, as well as in competition for the smaller number of previously affirmative action admission slots. This makes ending such affirmative action an inapt way to battle discrimination against Asian Americans."


https://www.uclalawreview.org/obscuring-asian-penalty-illusions-black-bonus/

They still are reflecting light on discrimination, even if for their own gain.

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Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

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If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

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If that was the case, they'd be arguing against legacy and athletics hooks. But they're not.

They should and they ARE.

SFFA isn't.

If you raise too many points, it dilutes the case but winning one case reflects well on other valid points.

SFFA is never going to touch those - they benefit white people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems "to live in good neighborhood" is a penalty for Asians. First they parents have to work extra hard and sacrifice more to afford living there then kids have to work extra hard to compete in large competitive public schools. In the end same hard work and good results are held against them.

Even if by any miracle a kid gets into an ivy, because of paying for housing in good neighborhood, parents don't have savings to afford these colleges. If they make more sacrifices, they ruin their retirement or kids get large loans, nobody is giving them financial aid. More than likely they'll go for merit at second tier or low cost state schools. Game is rigged.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

Yeah well Asians are getting unfairly rejected at state schools, too.

Proof?

Stop the grievance. It's a disservice to the diverse Asian American community.

SHUT UP and accept your place, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems "to live in good neighborhood" is a penalty for Asians. First they parents have to work extra hard and sacrifice more to afford living there then kids have to work extra hard to compete in large competitive public schools. In the end same hard work and good results are held against them.

Even if by any miracle a kid gets into an ivy, because of paying for housing in good neighborhood, parents don't have savings to afford these colleges. If they make more sacrifices, they ruin their retirement or kids get large loans, nobody is giving them financial aid. More than likely they'll go for merit at second tier or low cost state schools. Game is rigged.

Its double whammy, in admissions and in payments.

These colleges have billions in endowments and claim being non profit but they give no merit scholarships and charge a fortune to make admissions dependent on parent's affordability not applicant's eligibility.

[Anonymous]

If parent says no then how an 18 year old is going to get loans for $90k per year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

All of these.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

Your kids get even more screwed by legacy and athletic admissions.

Yup. This is just one of the many factors including but not limited to race, legacy, athletics, donors etc

[Anonymous]

Just look at background of people currently or previously holding top positions, 99% come from wealthy or connected families or married into them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just look at background of people currently or previously holding top positions, 99% come from wealthy or connected families or married into them.

Yup. All of their kids who want to attend an ivy are practically auto admit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of 3 wonderful, talented, bright Asian kids, I’m so tired of being told I should just cope because attacking AA will hurt other different minorities. I don’t want to do that, but you aren’t offering me any solutions to address my kids’ harm. Tell me what you want to do instead for my kids to have a fair shot given their stats and I’m all ears.

There are bright and talented kids everywhere of all ethnicities.

How are your 3 kids being harmed?