Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

[Anonymous]

It stated in the article: "More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies."

I wonder how many AA families who live in Mclean, Langley, Potomac, Bethesda support affirmative action when their kids are rejected by Ivies for those that are less qualified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

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If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It stated in the article: "More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies."

I wonder how many AA families who live in Mclean, Langley, Potomac, Bethesda support affirmative action when their kids are rejected by Ivies for those that are less qualified.

The term "less qualified" is relative if not an oxymoron for the Ivies, but the less qualified for those accepted are likely athletes, legacies, and children of faculty/ donors - vast majority of whom are white.

The AA families you mention ARE the ones accepted by Ivies because they have the resources - like the whites and Asians - to pay for extensive test prep, to live in good neighborhoods, etc.

[Anonymous]

Contrary to the popular conception, only a small percentage of Asians actually apply to elite colleges, most want community college or state school or schools with merit scholarships. Majority of Asian parents want their kids to do pre med and CS at no or little cost. Not everyone is competitive enough for selective schools or has means to afford with low eligibility for financial aid.

[Anonymous]

Elite colleges aren't personal issue for majority of Asians hence they don't take the risk of backlash by raising their voice against the discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

+1

If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

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[Anonymous]

To be fair, its not like majority of blacks are benefiting from elite college policies. Only a small percentage is benefitting and its of no consequence to the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It stated in the article: "More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies."

I wonder how many AA families who live in Mclean, Langley, Potomac, Bethesda support affirmative action when their kids are rejected by Ivies for those that are less qualified.

The term "less qualified" is relative if not an oxymoron for the Ivies, but the less qualified for those accepted are likely athletes, legacies, and children of faculty/ donors - vast majority of whom are white.

The AA families you mention ARE the ones accepted by Ivies because they have the resources - like the whites and Asians - to pay for extensive test prep, to live in good neighborhoods, etc.

Almost all of the Vietnamese families that live in McLean & Langley were immigrants. They came to the US in the late '70s, '80s as refugee boat people to rebuild their lives from scratch with absolutely nothing. Just saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is asian support for AA in surveys because they want to appear woke. When it's put for a vote like in california though which is as liberal as they get, it fails. Why do you think that is. A lot of asians support it because they've already gotten into a good college and succeeded and they don't care if others are discriminated against until their own kids are applying to schools.

This is a good point. People who get into colleges themselves, seems to be happy about their good fortune but not concerned about others.

People of all races who benefit from special programs, how many of them go back to their communities to make them better?

This^.

[Anonymous]

It seems "to live in good neighborhood" is a penalty for Asians. First they parents have to work extra hard and sacrifice more to afford living there then kids have to work extra hard to compete in large competitive public schools. In the end same hard work and good results are held against them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems "to live in good neighborhood" is a penalty for Asians. First they parents have to work extra hard and sacrifice more to afford living there then kids have to work extra hard to compete in large competitive public schools. In the end same hard work and good results are held against them.

Even if by any miracle a kid gets into an ivy, because of paying for housing in good neighborhood, parents don't have savings to afford these colleges. If they make more sacrifices, they ruin their retirement or kids get large loans, nobody is giving them financial aid. More than likely they'll go for merit at second tier or low cost state schools. Game is rigged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

+1

If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

+1

If that was the case, they'd be arguing against legacy and athletics hooks. But they're not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is asian support for AA in surveys because they want to appear woke. When it's put for a vote like in california though which is as liberal as they get, it fails. Why do you think that is. A lot of asians support it because they've already gotten into a good college and succeeded and they don't care if others are discriminated against until their own kids are applying to schools.

This is a good point. People who get into colleges themselves, seems to be happy about their good fortune but not concerned about others.

People of all races who benefit from special programs, how many of them go back to their communities to make them better?

This^.

what have you done to make your community better?

[Anonymous]

Do you really think every Asian with similar opportunities getting tuition and test prep becomes able to get top grades and scores? This assumption is where stereotyping and discrimination reflects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

+1

If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

You still don't get it. Asians are not looking for some admission windfall. They are looking for a fair process. If that means less Asian kids in top tier schools, at least it's easier to accept the results. BTW, that GT "study" looks more like an opinion paper with some data points sprinkled on.

+1

If that was the case, they'd be arguing against legacy and athletics hooks. But they're not.

They should and they ARE.