Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Danggggg defense fund at $1.1M

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

[Anonymous]

I live in NYC and take the subway everyday to and from work, and did so right through the pandemic (I’m a doctor so no WFH).

I am at the bway and Lafayette stop a lot because I have friends in the village. I am confused as to how anyone was in a chokehold for 15 minutes, since the stops adjacent to bway and Lafayette are 2 or 3 minutes apart once the train gets moving. 2nd Ave is almost humorously close to Bway & Lafayette - maybe 6 short blocks - and the other stop is nearby on the west side of Washington Square Park. The F train doesn’t run express in that area.

Also, I have been very very uncomfortable on the subway many times when there’s a mentally ill person acting threatening. However, I have NEVER ever seen anyone intervene. There is a protocol: Everyone stares at the ground and is quiet, if it’s getting worse then we move to the far side of the car, and if needed we switch cars at the next stop (crossing our fingers the ranting person doesn’t follow them to the next car). I suspect that the people in that car were utterly terrified since not one but three guys actually took action. That’s almost inconceivable to me.

When I am with my kids and the guys on the subway are screaming, acting threatening or taking off their clothes/relieving themselves in the floor the other passengers have helped shield my kids (and our kids are old enough to know to look down and stay still), but it’s always passive rather than active help from the other passengers. Although I appreciate any sort of help since it can be really very scary!

Also, all of these people online saying to just change train cars when the train is moving… no. It’s not Amtrak - in the subway you are outside of the train with only chains to hang on to. Maybe as an adult, but no way am I dragging my kids outside of the train car and over the connector when that train is hurtling down the track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

I'm not the pp you are quoting, but just reading the first two paragraphs of that garbage tells me all I need to know about the author.

[Anonymous]

If the two recent posts describing subway riding experiences are accurate, then New York and NYC are grossly failing to protect subway riders, including homeless individuals and the mentally ill. Horrific conditions and then expecting riders to feel safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the two recent posts describing subway riding experiences are accurate, then New York and NYC are grossly failing to protect subway riders, including homeless individuals and the mentally ill. Horrific conditions and then expecting riders to feel safe.

There were over 20 deaths/murders on the NY subway last year. (I'm not sure if this includes suicides but I don't think it does.). The NYPD has significantly stepped up patrolling the subway, from what I've heard. Has it helped? Probably yes. Enough? Maybe not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

I'm not the pp you are quoting, but just reading the first two paragraphs of that garbage tells me all I need to know about the author.

ITA. This is not about race, but some people want it to be about race. It is sickening.
I couldn't read the whole piece. I am thinking she didn't bother highlighting the fact that Neely had been arrested for assault and kidnapping in the past. And, if she did. I am sure she thinks those things weren't his fault.
It was a ridiculous piece. But, that is to be expected with The Cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in NYC and take the subway everyday to and from work, and did so right through the pandemic (I’m a doctor so no WFH).

I am at the bway and Lafayette stop a lot because I have friends in the village. I am confused as to how anyone was in a chokehold for 15 minutes, since the stops adjacent to bway and Lafayette are 2 or 3 minutes apart once the train gets moving. 2nd Ave is almost humorously close to Bway & Lafayette - maybe 6 short blocks - and the other stop is nearby on the west side of Washington Square Park. The F train doesn’t run express in that area.

Also, I have been very very uncomfortable on the subway many times when there’s a mentally ill person acting threatening. However, I have NEVER ever seen anyone intervene. There is a protocol: Everyone stares at the ground and is quiet, if it’s getting worse then we move to the far side of the car, and if needed we switch cars at the next stop (crossing our fingers the ranting person doesn’t follow them to the next car). I suspect that the people in that car were utterly terrified since not one but three guys actually took action. That’s almost inconceivable to me.

When I am with my kids and the guys on the subway are screaming, acting threatening or taking off their clothes/relieving themselves in the floor the other passengers have helped shield my kids (and our kids are old enough to know to look down and stay still), but it’s always passive rather than active help from the other passengers. Although I appreciate any sort of help since it can be really very scary!

Also, all of these people online saying to just change train cars when the train is moving… no. It’s not Amtrak - in the subway you are outside of the train with only chains to hang on to. Maybe as an adult, but no way am I dragging my kids outside of the train car and over the connector when that train is hurtling down the track.

I’m genuinely fascinated that you continue to live there, knowing that you put your children through that, even occasionally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in NYC and take the subway everyday to and from work, and did so right through the pandemic (I’m a doctor so no WFH).

I am at the bway and Lafayette stop a lot because I have friends in the village. I am confused as to how anyone was in a chokehold for 15 minutes, since the stops adjacent to bway and Lafayette are 2 or 3 minutes apart once the train gets moving. 2nd Ave is almost humorously close to Bway & Lafayette - maybe 6 short blocks - and the other stop is nearby on the west side of Washington Square Park. The F train doesn’t run express in that area.

Also, I have been very very uncomfortable on the subway many times when there’s a mentally ill person acting threatening. However, I have NEVER ever seen anyone intervene. There is a protocol: Everyone stares at the ground and is quiet, if it’s getting worse then we move to the far side of the car, and if needed we switch cars at the next stop (crossing our fingers the ranting person doesn’t follow them to the next car). I suspect that the people in that car were utterly terrified since not one but three guys actually took action. That’s almost inconceivable to me.

When I am with my kids and the guys on the subway are screaming, acting threatening or taking off their clothes/relieving themselves in the floor the other passengers have helped shield my kids (and our kids are old enough to know to look down and stay still), but it’s always passive rather than active help from the other passengers. Although I appreciate any sort of help since it can be really very scary!

Also, all of these people online saying to just change train cars when the train is moving… no. It’s not Amtrak - in the subway you are outside of the train with only chains to hang on to. Maybe as an adult, but no way am I dragging my kids outside of the train car and over the connector when that train is hurtling down the track.

I’m genuinely fascinated that you continue to live there, knowing that you put your children through that, even occasionally.

Your expressed sympathy is underwhelming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in NYC and take the subway everyday to and from work, and did so right through the pandemic (I’m a doctor so no WFH).

I am at the bway and Lafayette stop a lot because I have friends in the village. I am confused as to how anyone was in a chokehold for 15 minutes, since the stops adjacent to bway and Lafayette are 2 or 3 minutes apart once the train gets moving. 2nd Ave is almost humorously close to Bway & Lafayette - maybe 6 short blocks - and the other stop is nearby on the west side of Washington Square Park. The F train doesn’t run express in that area.

Also, I have been very very uncomfortable on the subway many times when there’s a mentally ill person acting threatening. However, I have NEVER ever seen anyone intervene. There is a protocol: Everyone stares at the ground and is quiet, if it’s getting worse then we move to the far side of the car, and if needed we switch cars at the next stop (crossing our fingers the ranting person doesn’t follow them to the next car). I suspect that the people in that car were utterly terrified since not one but three guys actually took action. That’s almost inconceivable to me.

When I am with my kids and the guys on the subway are screaming, acting threatening or taking off their clothes/relieving themselves in the floor the other passengers have helped shield my kids (and our kids are old enough to know to look down and stay still), but it’s always passive rather than active help from the other passengers. Although I appreciate any sort of help since it can be really very scary!

Also, all of these people online saying to just change train cars when the train is moving… no. It’s not Amtrak - in the subway you are outside of the train with only chains to hang on to. Maybe as an adult, but no way am I dragging my kids outside of the train car and over the connector when that train is hurtling down the track.

I’m genuinely fascinated that you continue to live there, knowing that you put your children through that, even occasionally.

Your expressed sympathy is underwhelming.

I have sympathy for the kids. I can’t even imagine dealing with unstable, mentally ill people if I was a child. People urinating where you’re standing or yelling obscenities or threatening to kill people or in this thread yelling that they don’t care whether they go to prison (so they have nothing to lose and they’re about to do something violent that will get them put in prison)… horrific. At some point it’s absolutely not acceptable.

[Anonymous]

Pp here. Okay. My apologies. I thought you were being sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

Speaking as Black woman, this writer is the sort of hysterical, race-baiting attention whore that white liberals love. Nothing she wrote has anything to do with Jordan Neely. On the contrary, it had everything to do with being a grifter a deadline who is aware that race baiting is lucrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the ex Marine’s employment status? Was he honorably or medically discharged from the military (he has a 1000-yard stare)? What’s his current living situation (looks homeless and disheveled)?

There's no such thing as an "ex Marine." It's a title he's earned for life.

If he was not “honorably” discharged then he is an ex Marine.

Medical discharge would still be a Marine. Penny was not dishonorably discharged, and I have no idea where you would get the idea he was.
You obvious are clueless about the military so just stop posting.

I can’t believe anyone would defend putting someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes. It’s obvious Penny has his own mental issues, but all America can see is that the white ex-Marine neutralized the “scary” black man.

The video shows the the chokehold was careful and that he let go when Neely passed out. But whether Penny held the chokehold too long or not, whether Neely's physical state was debilitated from drug use and hard living or not, Penny may well have been entirely justified, given the threats that Neely is now being reported as having been making.

A jury will decide.

‘careful’ seems odd here given accounts I’ve seen but a jury will decide not us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defense fund nearing 400K - yay! This prosecution is ridiculous/pure political theater and will go nowhere. But in the meantime, the poor kid will go through hell. Glad he at least will not have to pay for his defense.

Jury will convict when they are shown photos of Neely dead on the subway floor in pool of his own vomited blood, piss, and feces. Prosecution will tell jury that these results are disproportionate use of force relative to Neely’s lunatic ranting, lack of weapon, and lack of physical assault. Prosecution will play video of the crowd pleading with Neely to let go, thereby eliminating his excuse that he didn’t realize Neely was dying.

Penny is f#cked, but his lawyers will get rich. Yay?

No they won’t. Penny's life will change and it is sad he has to go through this, but no one that listens to the firsthand accounts of people being terrorized by Neely on the train will vote to convict Penny.

+1. I live in NYC, am a (non-white, since that apparently matters) lawyer, and have been terrorized by mentally ill people on the subway more times than I can count. I can tell you on the publicly available facts there is no way I would vote to convict here, and I hope Penny is acquitted. I really don’t think that a jury comprised of NYC residents would convict. Everyone here deals with this.

May I ask you a question? Given your perspective, what is your take on articles like this one (assuming the paywall doesn't prevent you from reading it)? I genuinely try to understand different perspectives, but I struggle to make sense of pieces like this.

https://www.thecut.com/2023/05/jordan-neely-paid-the-price-for-white-discomfort.html

I’m the PP to whom you asked the question. I think articles like this are race-baiting garbage. To me, this incident was very clearly not about race.