Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
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Anonymous
This gets to the crux of the problem. Supreme Court decisions in the 70s and 80s make it extremely difficult for jurisdictions to involuntarily commit mental ill individuals for anything other than short stretches of time. Individual liberty is paramount. This is a major hurdle to getting people like Neely off the street. This is why prisons act as the de facto asylum - the state needs to wait for them to commit a crime to move them permanently off the street. Secondly, is cost. It’s exorbitant and Americans are growing more and more anti-tax. You want to move to a place with no income taxes? You’ll find mental health services and facilities to basically be nil. No one wants to pay for it, particularly among the Taxes Are Theft crowd. |
Anonymous
This! All the people on this thread b****ing about the mentally ill running amok in blue cities will be the first to complain about an increase in taxes to support the comprehensive and very expensive programs that would be required to take the violent or violent-appearing mentally ill off the streets. Ditto other “undesirables” like the homeless and drug addicts. |
Anonymous
I thought people living in blue cities were happy to pay needed taxes. |
Anonymous
Here’s another crux of the issue: NYC has some of the best and most comprehensive homeless services in the country. The issue? There’s just so many homeless in NYC - it’s big, expensive, and mentally ill people/addicts from across the country are drawn to NYC. If you think the homeless issue is bad in NYC, it’s a lot worse elsewhere where the government doesn’t have the same level of resources as nyc to handle it. Another issue with NYC is that the lack of cars means you have to encounter this issue a lot more frequently in person. |
Anonymous
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Liberal hair and everything I've read would have me voting not guilty.
This is a prime example of a mental health crisis and I would not feel safe with a man ranting on a subway that he wanted to die or get life in prison. I don't think that he should have died but this was obviously an accident. |
Anonymous
can you name a red city |
Anonymous
As a woman who has to go to her car late at night and men approach me all the time, I'd be cool with a precedent that I could just shoot them because I "felt weird" and "scared". I mean, ill try to shoot to not kill and if they die, it's just an accident after all. |
Anonymous
That's why he was charged with manslaughter and not murder. He put someone in a choke hold for several minutes so that state is arguing he acted recklessly thereby causing death (Man 2). There may have been no intent but they will argue a reasonable person would know the possible risks of putting someone in a chokehold for that amount of time, and that Penny disregarded those risks. |
Anonymous
As another woman, you shouldn’t put yourself in a position where you have to go to your car alone late at night and men approach you. Women are not safe in these and many, many other situations. It is unfortunate that it has to be that way, but it is. Plan your life accordingly. |
Anonymous
As several PPs have noted, issues involving those with serious mental illness are never going to have a perfect solution. Even with all the resources in the world, short of forced confinement, seriously ill people are going to improve and regress. It's a process, not an easy fix. A person in Neely's state before his death is incredibly difficult to treat and also a danger to himself and others. I wish more people remembering his younger days as a street performer would focus more on why he was there and what help could have been given to him to address his trauma at that time. We don't know what help he got, but clearly, he needed intensive services to help process his mother's murder. Remember, he also dropped out of school at a young age. People with severe trauma and no education are most likely to turn to drugs and other behaviors that send them on tragic path. Catching them and bringing them into a safety net as early as possible should be a priority. |
Anonymous
How much of those homeless services dollars go to “service providers” and how much actually goes to the greatest need? And as long as we’re not willing to mandate treatment frequently and institutionalize, there’s not much to do. |
Anonymous
+1 Amen. Well said, and all so true. |
Anonymous
Yes. And 2nd degree manslaughter is an appropriate charge for an accident where someone bears some culpability. |
Anonymous
Maybe. But not if the self-defense response was proportional. I suppose this could be a question for a jury. But a prosecutor who is not purely political could have already made the determination when deciding whether to charge. |
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