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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”[/quote]

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US. [/quote]

Well if the government refuses to put them in humane institutions which they cannot leave what are people to do?[/quote]

This gets to the crux of the problem.

Supreme Court decisions in the 70s and 80s make it extremely difficult for jurisdictions to involuntarily commit mental ill individuals for anything other than short stretches of time. Individual liberty is paramount. This is a major hurdle to getting people like Neely off the street. This is why prisons act as the de facto asylum - the state needs to wait for them to commit a crime to move them permanently off the street.

Secondly, is cost. It’s exorbitant and Americans are growing more and more anti-tax. You want to move to a place with no income taxes? You’ll find mental health services and facilities to basically be nil. No one wants to pay for it, particularly among the Taxes Are Theft crowd. [/quote]

This! All the people on this thread b****ing  about the mentally ill running amok in blue cities will be the first to complain about an increase in taxes to support the comprehensive and very expensive programs that would be required to take the violent or violent-appearing mentally ill off the streets. Ditto other “undesirables” like the homeless and drug addicts. [/quote]

I thought people living in blue cities were happy to pay needed taxes.[/quote]

Here’s another crux of the issue: NYC has some of the best and most comprehensive homeless services in the country. The issue? There’s just so many homeless in NYC - it’s big, expensive, and mentally ill people/addicts from across the country are drawn to NYC.

If you think the homeless issue is bad in NYC, it’s a lot worse elsewhere where the government doesn’t have the same level of resources as nyc to handle it.

Another issue with NYC is that the lack of cars means you have to encounter this issue a lot more frequently in person. [/quote]

How much of those homeless services dollars go to “service providers” and how much actually goes to the greatest need? [b]And as long as we’re not willing to mandate treatment frequently and institutionalize, there’s not much to do[/b]. [/quote][/quote]

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