School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at the faces of these shooters - they look subhuman, crazy and low IQ. As if they were casted in these roles by some Hollywood casting director. With dead, crazy, Sanpaku eyes too...

Really? He looks like any other 15 year old. There is nothing to indicate he is low IQ. You cannot tell that from a mug shot.
What he did was horrific but walking around judging people as subhuman, low IQ, and crazy by their appearance is awful.

No, he doesn't look like any other 15 yr old. He looks like a criminal and low IQ man. You put him in a suit and he will still looks criminal. Maybe he is poor and that shows in his appearance too. But you can look at rich, depraved criminal men, and while they will look expensively attired and entitled...their criminality also shows on their faces. Especially the eyes. This looks like an evil man and his parents also look evil.

He is still a 15 year old CHILD.

He's not being charged as a CHILD and rightly so.

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There are facial deformities that connect to mental illness.

Interesting. Can you share more about this? If this is true, I wonder if this is some of the subtle things our guts are telling us when they subconsciously warn us about someone.

The amount of ignorance and misogyny being spread in this post is disgusting. PP you are an uneducated dunce.

Honestly, he looks like every other teenage boy. This age is filled with arrogance and eye rolling. I’ve seen the same look on my son’s face when I get on him to finish chores. Or the teenagers on his soccer team when I tell them to pick up all the cones after practice. I know they are really thinking “leave me the f alone”, but they do what they are told. You can’t tell “low IQ” or anything.

This is no eyeroll.

Everyone looks "off" in a mug shot. Regardless of what puts them in that situation-- big crime or small, chronic offender or one-off bad act-- they are generally freaked out and exhausted. It's silly to read anything into this photo. We have plenty of other info about this kid to consider and judge.

And facial deformity PP-- You have a toe on a slippery slope to eugenics.

Don’t speak about things you don’t understand. I know you are proud of yourself for using eugenics in a sentence but certain facial features are associated with FAS. Not well educated enough myself to know if that is what he presents as but previous posters noting that is not out of bounds.

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PP sounds crazy. It's not actually about you, PP. It's okay.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the school MAKE them take him home?

They may have been prohibited by district guidelines. Restorative Justice is about keeping kids in school....not suspending them....not calling the police.
Too many kids were being suspended and apprehended by the police prior to Restorative Justice. Fewer suspensions means the district is doing a good job. Stats are kept statewide.

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Don’t speak about things you don’t understand. I know you are proud of yourself for using eugenics in a sentence but certain facial features are associated with FAS. Not well educated enough myself to know if that is what he presents as but previous posters noting that is not out of bounds.

I have worked with probably 50 kids with FASD and this kid has ZERO of the facial markers. I'm not saying he isn't mentally ill (the evidence points to yes) but this isn't FAS.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the school MAKE them take him home?

They may have been prohibited by district guidelines. Restorative Justice is about keeping kids in school....not suspending them....not calling the police.
Too many kids were being suspended and apprehended by the police prior to Restorative Justice. Fewer suspensions means the district is doing a good job. Stats are kept statewide.

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School too concerned about stats, and too concerned about getting sued by the overly aggressive parents with overly aggressive kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the school MAKE them take him home?

They may have been prohibited by district guidelines. Restorative Justice is about keeping kids in school....not suspending them....not calling the police.
Too many kids were being suspended and apprehended by the police prior to Restorative Justice. Fewer suspensions means the district is doing a good job. Stats are kept statewide.

Tragically, this kid seems to have unspiraled in a very short period of time. There's no evidence that RJ was used with him because he had not previously been a disciplinary problem. Moreover, Oxford MI is not exactly on the forefront of progressive educational pedagogies.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the school MAKE them take him home?

They can't. He might be "in a certain situation" (before all this), which gives him more "protections" and his parents have more say, if they know the loopholes.

Also, 4th Amendment - schools can't just search and seize property. Same reason Langley and other high schools got rid of lockers. Not worth the hassle with bad kids and their bad parents.

As we have seen here, where do you think these kids learn their behaviors?

YES they could have MADE him leave.

In todays school culture the pendulum has swung to keep trouble making students in the classroom because the troubled students have rights and the parents of the troubled students have rights. Why aren't the daily chair throwers expelled from classrooms? The parents of the chair throwers have rights and deny that their child is disruptive to the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the school MAKE them take him home?

They may have been prohibited by district guidelines. Restorative Justice is about keeping kids in school....not suspending them....not calling the police.
Too many kids were being suspended and apprehended by the police prior to Restorative Justice. Fewer suspensions means the district is doing a good job. Stats are kept statewide.

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School too concerned about stats, and too concerned about getting sued by the overly aggressive parents with overly aggressive kids.

The school didn’t want to deal with his parents. Easier to send the kid back to class than to override the parents and the no doubt tantrum they would throw if police were called on the spot. Now they will have the parents of the deceased to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

The school didn't know he owned a damn gun because his idiot parents bought it for him.


I agree that they should have checked the backpack.i think they just couldn't imagine this kid actually had a gun.

Not only should they have checked the backpack but they should have escorted the student out of the school and called law enforcement.

Guarantee the parents fought it and threatened the school. I know from experience.

No doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the school MAKE them take him home?

They may have been prohibited by district guidelines. Restorative Justice is about keeping kids in school....not suspending them....not calling the police.
Too many kids were being suspended and apprehended by the police prior to Restorative Justice. Fewer suspensions means the district is doing a good job. Stats are kept statewide.

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School too concerned about stats, and too concerned about getting sued by the overly aggressive parents with overly aggressive kids.

The school didn’t want to deal with his parents. Easier to send the kid back to class than to override the parents and the no doubt tantrum they would throw if police were called on the spot. Now they will have the parents of the deceased to deal with.

Ever think parental entitlement is the problem here? From the start of the case to the unfortunate conclusion. Its been really bad during the pandemic and gotten worse.

There's a reason there's a 5.5% employment loss in the education sector.

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I think there needs to be closed-circuit feed monitoring in every classroom and the hallways. If your kid has an infraction, immediate suspension off campus. If you refuse to take the kid, immediate police officer referral.

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Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

The school didn't know he owned a damn gun because his idiot parents bought it for him.


I agree that they should have checked the backpack.i think they just couldn't imagine this kid actually had a gun.

Not only should they have checked the backpack but they should have escorted the student out of the school and called law enforcement.

Guarantee the parents fought it and threatened the school. I know from experience.

No doubt.

So what? That doesn’t remove the responsibility of the school to act in the best interest of the safety of the entire student body. Afraid of parents?? What a stupid excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

The school didn't know he owned a damn gun because his idiot parents bought it for him.


I agree that they should have checked the backpack.i think they just couldn't imagine this kid actually had a gun.

Not only should they have checked the backpack but they should have escorted the student out of the school and called law enforcement.

Guarantee the parents fought it and threatened the school. I know from experience.

No doubt.

I don’t care. The principal should have said either we search the backpack or we notify the police and let them decide (and they would have of course searched it.) The principal failed every other student at the school that day, whom he has a duty to protect. The boys parents are criminals for sure - absolutel trash, but the principal has some liability here too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there needs to be closed-circuit feed monitoring in every classroom and the hallways. If your kid has an infraction, immediate suspension off campus. If you refuse to take the kid, immediate police officer referral.

Agree. But calling the police was and is always an option for schools when they feel there is a threat. They don’t need the parents’ permission to express a concern, make a report, and have an officer come out and look into what is going on

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Anonymous wrote:I think there needs to be closed-circuit feed monitoring in every classroom and the hallways. If your kid has an infraction, immediate suspension off campus. If you refuse to take the kid, immediate police officer referral.

Agree. But calling the police was and is always an option for schools when they feel there is a threat. They don’t need the parents’ permission to express a concern, make a report, and have an officer come out and look into what is going on

+1000. And they will live with this forever.

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Wow, this thread is insane.