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[Anonymous]

What, you mean Republican governers and elected officials are LYING about abortion access to care? What. No way. They wouldn't do that.
You mean women like you and me really could die because there are fewer untrained staff in states led by Republicans even if my procedure is approved? What??? No way. they would never lie

[Anonymous]

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+1

You should probably also post this in the Roe thread. The women who consider themselves to be pro life should probably come to grips with the fact that the GOP will kill them, too, if they get the chance, that being the “right” kind of woman isn’t protection.

1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic.

And 1 in 8 ends in miscarriage. An incomplete miscarriage will kill a woman just as quickly as an ectopic pregnancy.

Cannot stop thinking about the night I ended up in the ER at 2am with an incomplete miscarriage. I fear for women who end up in that position going forward.

I’ve been having nightmares about sitting in the ER waiting room when my ectopic pregnancy ruptured. I’d been there 12 hours because I was the bottom of the list, with significant pain, an IUD and a positive pregnancy test. Triage told me the test was wrong or I didn’t do it right because pregnancy wasn’t possible with an IUD (spoiler alert, it is). They’d get around to me if they had a chance. My MD had told me if I got pregnant with the IUD there was a high likelihood it would be ectopic and to go immediately to the ER. The delay in care and slow walking when I was in so much pain and knew I had a potentially life threatening situation was terrifying. As was the rupture and immediate rush into surgery at midnight.

I experienced PTSD symptoms for about a year after this happened. In 2007. And now they are back.

These states are absolutely barbaric.

Be thankful your Drs had been trained on medical procedures associated with abortion to save your life. No education and training is being limited in Red states so best of luck even if a woman is able to be on deaths door and need asssitance that is approved by the lawyers/judges. Finding a Dr. to perform it will still be hard as the new cohorts aren't being trainined.

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

And I wish people like you were not so convinced that just because you went to Cornell, you know everything about medicine and law. Guess what, you don't. Just because you think doctors SHOULD know how to perform D&Cs and ectopic terminations because "those are not abortions" does not make it so. Dobbs is the tail end of years and years of tightenting restrictions on reproductive health, and yes, this means that training on D&Cs is hindered, and many hospitals have regressive policies that limit available treatments for ectopic terminations.

[Anonymous]

Educated women are going to be afraid of having children if there are not enough trained OB-GYNs. Poor women already have to deal with substandard medical care, so it will be business as usual for them.

Look at countries like Poland with complete abortion bans. Their birthrate is now very low in comparison to the 1980s when women were entitled to free childcare and abortion was available on demand (and, no, I'm not saying that Communism is good).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cruelty seems to be the point.

+1

You should probably also post this in the Roe thread. The women who consider themselves to be pro life should probably come to grips with the fact that the GOP will kill them, too, if they get the chance, that being the “right” kind of woman isn’t protection.

1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic.

And 1 in 8 ends in miscarriage. An incomplete miscarriage will kill a woman just as quickly as an ectopic pregnancy.

Cannot stop thinking about the night I ended up in the ER at 2am with an incomplete miscarriage. I fear for women who end up in that position going forward.

I’ve been having nightmares about sitting in the ER waiting room when my ectopic pregnancy ruptured. I’d been there 12 hours because I was the bottom of the list, with significant pain, an IUD and a positive pregnancy test. Triage told me the test was wrong or I didn’t do it right because pregnancy wasn’t possible with an IUD (spoiler alert, it is). They’d get around to me if they had a chance. My MD had told me if I got pregnant with the IUD there was a high likelihood it would be ectopic and to go immediately to the ER. The delay in care and slow walking when I was in so much pain and knew I had a potentially life threatening situation was terrifying. As was the rupture and immediate rush into surgery at midnight.

I experienced PTSD symptoms for about a year after this happened. In 2007. And now they are back.

These states are absolutely barbaric.

Be thankful your Drs had been trained on medical procedures associated with abortion to save your life. No education and training is being limited in Red states so best of luck even if a woman is able to be on deaths door and need asssitance that is approved by the lawyers/judges. Finding a Dr. to perform it will still be hard as the new cohorts aren't being trainined.

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

And I wish people like you were not so convinced that just because you went to Cornell, you know everything about medicine and law. Guess what, you don't. Just because you think doctors SHOULD know how to perform D&Cs and ectopic terminations because "those are not abortions" does not make it so. Dobbs is the tail end of years and years of tightenting restrictions on reproductive health, and yes, this means that training on D&Cs is hindered, and many hospitals have regressive policies that limit available treatments for ectopic terminations.

Well in today’s New York Times there’s a story about a Tennessee woman with an nonviable pregnancy that was life threatening if not removed and couldn’t get an abortion in her home state of Tennessee because she was more than 6 weeks pregnant because the doctors were too afraid of the legal risk. So she went to Georgia instead where abortion is still legal til 22 weeks (til now.)

‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey
Madison Underwood was thrilled to learn she was pregnant. But when a rare defect in the developing fetus threatened her life, she was thrust into post-Roe chaos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/abortion-journey-crossing-states.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What, you mean Republican governers and elected officials are LYING about abortion access to care? What. No way. They wouldn't do that.
You mean women like you and me really could die because there are fewer untrained staff in states led by Republicans even if my procedure is approved? What??? No way. they would never lie

I assume this is sarcasm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cruelty seems to be the point.

+1

You should probably also post this in the Roe thread. The women who consider themselves to be pro life should probably come to grips with the fact that the GOP will kill them, too, if they get the chance, that being the “right” kind of woman isn’t protection.

1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic.

And 1 in 8 ends in miscarriage. An incomplete miscarriage will kill a woman just as quickly as an ectopic pregnancy.

Cannot stop thinking about the night I ended up in the ER at 2am with an incomplete miscarriage. I fear for women who end up in that position going forward.

I’ve been having nightmares about sitting in the ER waiting room when my ectopic pregnancy ruptured. I’d been there 12 hours because I was the bottom of the list, with significant pain, an IUD and a positive pregnancy test. Triage told me the test was wrong or I didn’t do it right because pregnancy wasn’t possible with an IUD (spoiler alert, it is). They’d get around to me if they had a chance. My MD had told me if I got pregnant with the IUD there was a high likelihood it would be ectopic and to go immediately to the ER. The delay in care and slow walking when I was in so much pain and knew I had a potentially life threatening situation was terrifying. As was the rupture and immediate rush into surgery at midnight.

I experienced PTSD symptoms for about a year after this happened. In 2007. And now they are back.

These states are absolutely barbaric.

Be thankful your Drs had been trained on medical procedures associated with abortion to save your life. No education and training is being limited in Red states so best of luck even if a woman is able to be on deaths door and need asssitance that is approved by the lawyers/judges. Finding a Dr. to perform it will still be hard as the new cohorts aren't being trainined.

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

And I wish people like you were not so convinced that just because you went to Cornell, you know everything about medicine and law. Guess what, you don't. Just because you think doctors SHOULD know how to perform D&Cs and ectopic terminations because "those are not abortions" does not make it so. Dobbs is the tail end of years and years of tightenting restrictions on reproductive health, and yes, this means that training on D&Cs is hindered, and many hospitals have regressive policies that limit available treatments for ectopic terminations.

Well in today’s New York Times there’s a story about a Tennessee woman with an nonviable pregnancy that was life threatening if not removed and couldn’t get an abortion in her home state of Tennessee because she was more than 6 weeks pregnant because the doctors were too afraid of the legal risk. So she went to Georgia instead where abortion is still legal til 22 weeks (til now.)

‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey
Madison Underwood was thrilled to learn she was pregnant. But when a rare defect in the developing fetus threatened her life, she was thrust into post-Roe chaos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/abortion-journey-crossing-states.html

Unfortunately these stories aren't enough. It will take a horrific painful death of a woman and much wanted fetus like the one in Ireland to influence the pro-lifers stone cold black hearts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The cruelty seems to be the point.

+1

You should probably also post this in the Roe thread. The women who consider themselves to be pro life should probably come to grips with the fact that the GOP will kill them, too, if they get the chance, that being the “right” kind of woman isn’t protection.

1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic.

And 1 in 8 ends in miscarriage. An incomplete miscarriage will kill a woman just as quickly as an ectopic pregnancy.

Cannot stop thinking about the night I ended up in the ER at 2am with an incomplete miscarriage. I fear for women who end up in that position going forward.

I’ve been having nightmares about sitting in the ER waiting room when my ectopic pregnancy ruptured. I’d been there 12 hours because I was the bottom of the list, with significant pain, an IUD and a positive pregnancy test. Triage told me the test was wrong or I didn’t do it right because pregnancy wasn’t possible with an IUD (spoiler alert, it is). They’d get around to me if they had a chance. My MD had told me if I got pregnant with the IUD there was a high likelihood it would be ectopic and to go immediately to the ER. The delay in care and slow walking when I was in so much pain and knew I had a potentially life threatening situation was terrifying. As was the rupture and immediate rush into surgery at midnight.

I experienced PTSD symptoms for about a year after this happened. In 2007. And now they are back.

These states are absolutely barbaric.

Be thankful your Drs had been trained on medical procedures associated with abortion to save your life. No education and training is being limited in Red states so best of luck even if a woman is able to be on deaths door and need asssitance that is approved by the lawyers/judges. Finding a Dr. to perform it will still be hard as the new cohorts aren't being trainined.

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

And I wish people like you were not so convinced that just because you went to Cornell, you know everything about medicine and law. Guess what, you don't. Just because you think doctors SHOULD know how to perform D&Cs and ectopic terminations because "those are not abortions" does not make it so. Dobbs is the tail end of years and years of tightenting restrictions on reproductive health, and yes, this means that training on D&Cs is hindered, and many hospitals have regressive policies that limit available treatments for ectopic terminations.

Where did I ever post that I went to Cornell? You know what they say about people making assumptions, right?

[Anonymous]

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

You really need to stop believing the things that you're Republican legislators are telling you?. This is just like the governor's saying they are leaving it up to the doctors to decide but they leave out the convenient fact to the public that three doctors all need to agree.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-repeal-roe-v-wade-will-affect-training-abortion-and-reproductive-health

Apparently, some doctors are having to travel to other states to complete their OB-GYN residencies.

The first PP should read that. Reality is resisting her preconceptions about it.

That's a link to the statement on this from the Association American Medical Colleges. That's the body that administers the MCAT, organizes the medical school and residency applications, and (in conjunction with the AMA) sponsors the accreditation for all U.S. medical education programs.

[Anonymous]

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Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

You really need to stop believing the things that you're Republican legislators are telling you?. This is just like the governor's saying they are leaving it up to the doctors to decide but they leave out the convenient fact to the public that three doctors all need to agree.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-repeal-roe-v-wade-will-affect-training-abortion-and-reproductive-health

Apparently, some doctors are having to travel to other states to complete their OB-GYN residencies.

The first PP should read that. Reality is resisting her preconceptions about it.

That's a link to the statement on this from the Association American Medical Colleges. That's the body that administers the MCAT, organizes the medical school and residency applications, and (in conjunction with the AMA) sponsors the accreditation for all U.S. medical education programs.

That pp is probably a forced birther who lives the trope that her abortion was the only moral abortion and thinks that she’s not like the other girls, that if push comes to shove she’ll be safe.

Nope. Doctors aren’t going to be practicing good medicine and that’s going to go across every field in which pregnant women need treatment (that’s pretty much all of them).

Forced birthers are coming for abortion across the country and they’re coming for birth control. Wake up, you blithering forced birther ladies who think you’ll be just fine. You won’t. You are not a person in the GOP, you are an incubator. Actually you’re just supposed to be an a sexually available object. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The cruelty seems to be the point.

+1

You should probably also post this in the Roe thread. The women who consider themselves to be pro life should probably come to grips with the fact that the GOP will kill them, too, if they get the chance, that being the “right” kind of woman isn’t protection.

1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic.

And 1 in 8 ends in miscarriage. An incomplete miscarriage will kill a woman just as quickly as an ectopic pregnancy.

Cannot stop thinking about the night I ended up in the ER at 2am with an incomplete miscarriage. I fear for women who end up in that position going forward.

I’ve been having nightmares about sitting in the ER waiting room when my ectopic pregnancy ruptured. I’d been there 12 hours because I was the bottom of the list, with significant pain, an IUD and a positive pregnancy test. Triage told me the test was wrong or I didn’t do it right because pregnancy wasn’t possible with an IUD (spoiler alert, it is). They’d get around to me if they had a chance. My MD had told me if I got pregnant with the IUD there was a high likelihood it would be ectopic and to go immediately to the ER. The delay in care and slow walking when I was in so much pain and knew I had a potentially life threatening situation was terrifying. As was the rupture and immediate rush into surgery at midnight.

I experienced PTSD symptoms for about a year after this happened. In 2007. And now they are back.

These states are absolutely barbaric.

Be thankful your Drs had been trained on medical procedures associated with abortion to save your life. No education and training is being limited in Red states so best of luck even if a woman is able to be on deaths door and need asssitance that is approved by the lawyers/judges. Finding a Dr. to perform it will still be hard as the new cohorts aren't being trainined.

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

And I wish people like you were not so convinced that just because you went to Cornell, you know everything about medicine and law. Guess what, you don't. Just because you think doctors SHOULD know how to perform D&Cs and ectopic terminations because "those are not abortions" does not make it so. Dobbs is the tail end of years and years of tightenting restrictions on reproductive health, and yes, this means that training on D&Cs is hindered, and many hospitals have regressive policies that limit available treatments for ectopic terminations.

Well in today’s New York Times there’s a story about a Tennessee woman with an nonviable pregnancy that was life threatening if not removed and couldn’t get an abortion in her home state of Tennessee because she was more than 6 weeks pregnant because the doctors were too afraid of the legal risk. So she went to Georgia instead where abortion is still legal til 22 weeks (til now.)

‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey
Madison Underwood was thrilled to learn she was pregnant. But when a rare defect in the developing fetus threatened her life, she was thrust into post-Roe chaos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/abortion-journey-crossing-states.html

The part about her family praying over the abortion just shows how sick anti-abortionists are. This is their own child and grandchild whose life could be in danger if she continues a pregnancy where the fetal defects are incompatible with life, and still they were praying that something would happen to stop her from having an abortion. Apparently they don’t love her enough to want her to survive, the only interest is in a fetus thy at cannot.

[Anonymous]

Personally, I’m glad she got the abortion. I’m very concerned though with how this child is living and how she got pregnant in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I’m glad she got the abortion. I’m very concerned though with how this child is living and how she got pregnant in the first place.

Me too. But I’m also concerned about all the little girls in various states who will not get the abortions their little bodies need. I can’t even imagine the damage that happens to a small body forced to give birth. These forced birther freaks think this is blessed by God. The misogyny is unreal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The cruelty seems to be the point.

+1

You should probably also post this in the Roe thread. The women who consider themselves to be pro life should probably come to grips with the fact that the GOP will kill them, too, if they get the chance, that being the “right” kind of woman isn’t protection.

1 in 50 pregnancies is ectopic.

And 1 in 8 ends in miscarriage. An incomplete miscarriage will kill a woman just as quickly as an ectopic pregnancy.

Cannot stop thinking about the night I ended up in the ER at 2am with an incomplete miscarriage. I fear for women who end up in that position going forward.

I’ve been having nightmares about sitting in the ER waiting room when my ectopic pregnancy ruptured. I’d been there 12 hours because I was the bottom of the list, with significant pain, an IUD and a positive pregnancy test. Triage told me the test was wrong or I didn’t do it right because pregnancy wasn’t possible with an IUD (spoiler alert, it is). They’d get around to me if they had a chance. My MD had told me if I got pregnant with the IUD there was a high likelihood it would be ectopic and to go immediately to the ER. The delay in care and slow walking when I was in so much pain and knew I had a potentially life threatening situation was terrifying. As was the rupture and immediate rush into surgery at midnight.

I experienced PTSD symptoms for about a year after this happened. In 2007. And now they are back.

These states are absolutely barbaric.

Be thankful your Drs had been trained on medical procedures associated with abortion to save your life. No education and training is being limited in Red states so best of luck even if a woman is able to be on deaths door and need asssitance that is approved by the lawyers/judges. Finding a Dr. to perform it will still be hard as the new cohorts aren't being trainined.

Oh, for God's SAKE, doctors are trained specifically in 'abortion techniques' when it comes to ending an ectopic pregnancy and D&Cs. How deliberately misleading. Education and training in these SURGICAL techniques is NOT being limited. D&Cs are routine for women for all sorts of issues that don't involve pregnancy. Only the extreme political idiots think that ectopic pregnancies are not life threatening.

I really wish people here were not so emotional - it leads to abjectly stupid statements

And I wish people like you were not so convinced that just because you went to Cornell, you know everything about medicine and law. Guess what, you don't. Just because you think doctors SHOULD know how to perform D&Cs and ectopic terminations because "those are not abortions" does not make it so. Dobbs is the tail end of years and years of tightenting restrictions on reproductive health, and yes, this means that training on D&Cs is hindered, and many hospitals have regressive policies that limit available treatments for ectopic terminations.

Well in today’s New York Times there’s a story about a Tennessee woman with an nonviable pregnancy that was life threatening if not removed and couldn’t get an abortion in her home state of Tennessee because she was more than 6 weeks pregnant because the doctors were too afraid of the legal risk. So she went to Georgia instead where abortion is still legal til 22 weeks (til now.)

‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey
Madison Underwood was thrilled to learn she was pregnant. But when a rare defect in the developing fetus threatened her life, she was thrust into post-Roe chaos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/abortion-journey-crossing-states.html

The part about her family praying over the abortion just shows how sick anti-abortionists are. This is their own child and grandchild whose life could be in danger if she continues a pregnancy where the fetal defects are incompatible with life, and still they were praying that something would happen to stop her from having an abortion. Apparently they don’t love her enough to want her to survive, the only interest is in a fetus thy at cannot.

Ignorance and superstition. Somehow the unholy union of Catholic and Protestant on the abortion issue has created a religious belief that the “sanctity of life” exists independent of the physical reality of pregnancy. It’s not a pregnant woman facing all the risks pregnancy has entailed forever. It’s a religious sacrament that if you pray hard enough, Jesus will provide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I’m glad she got the abortion. I’m very concerned though with how this child is living and how she got pregnant in the first place.

Me too. But I’m also concerned about all the little girls in various states who will not get the abortions their little bodies need. I can’t even imagine the damage that happens to a small body forced to give birth. These forced birther freaks think this is blessed by God. The misogyny is unreal.

I think if we come down hard on the rapists and those that cover for them, little girls won’t get pregnant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I’m glad she got the abortion. I’m very concerned though with how this child is living and how she got pregnant in the first place.

Me too. But I’m also concerned about all the little girls in various states who will not get the abortions their little bodies need. I can’t even imagine the damage that happens to a small body forced to give birth. These forced birther freaks think this is blessed by God. The misogyny is unreal.

I think if we come down hard on the rapists and those that cover for them, little girls won’t get pregnant

We should. But most male judges won't.

Just look at the former cop in Baltimore whose wife had to literally go to DC to shoot him, just to finally get him arrested for abusing the children in her daycare.

That's where we are right now.

Eventually some high ranking Republican's daughter will get raped by a pervert at age 10 or 12 and get pregnant, and be forced to have the child. Then things will change.