ICE announcement

[Anonymous]

If the ICE is sure that it would take a year or longer to return in person, that makes sense but it will be difficult for students to do any group projects etc.

If schools reverse and go back to in person learning in spring it would end up being a huge administrative burden to schools, US consulates worldwide and students to reissue new entry visas for these students.

The students would need to obtain new visas, buy tickets, find new housing, move/ buy their household things and so on. This is extremely disruptive and very short sighted (unless the ICE knows something that we do not and there will be no going back to normal at all).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nov 3. Please vote.

Absolutely. Trump2020!

Aw, look who’s a worthless shit stain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Yes -- the whole point of the F-1 visa is to come to the US to study in a university. If you can no longer study _in_ the university, then there is no need to come to the US.

Nothing in the F-1 visa rules say you have to be "in a university" it says you have to be a full time student. You also don't have to be "in a university" there are F-1 visa's for Elementary/high school.

There are also exceptions for health, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, we now think it’s a good idea to force a few hundred thousand international students who are now in the US, a current covid hot spot, onto airplanes to scatter their germs around the world?

There may not even be flights to their home countries. What do they do then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, we now think it’s a good idea to force a few hundred thousand international students who are now in the US, a current covid hot spot, onto airplanes to scatter their germs around the world?

There may not even be flights to their home countries. What do they do then?

DP. Eventually we'll see some of those students end up arrested by ICE and put into detention facilities where there is spread of the virus. Like the many other immigrants in those facilities whose plight we seem no longer to recognize. I can only pray that their stories get out and are highly publicized everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Yes -- the whole point of the F-1 visa is to come to the US to study in a university. If you can no longer study _in_ the university, then there is no need to come to the US.

Nothing in the F-1 visa rules say you have to be "in a university" it says you have to be a full time student. You also don't have to be "in a university" there are F-1 visa's for Elementary/high school.

There are also exceptions for health, etc.

Yeah and studying online is studying in the University.

[Anonymous]

The Trumpers on this thread remind me of the types who think UVa should be almost all instate kids. Those dummies fail to realize that if that happens, it won’t be nearly as coveted a University.

[Anonymous]

These rules are on top of Trump refusing to renew H1 B visas which has also hurt universities with visiting professors, researchers and medical centre doctors.
I feel for universities having to struggle with COVID and now all of Trump’s insanity regarding foreigners. I worry the US will lose it’s reputation of having world class universities which is unfortunate since our k-12 educational system already sucks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Yes -- the whole point of the F-1 visa is to come to the US to study in a university. If you can no longer study _in_ the university, then there is no need to come to the US.

This is about students who are already here. They are being asked to leave in the midst of a pandemic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Nope! Dickwipes indeed!

Isn't the rationale that this was essentially a pre-existing rule? That is, you can't get a visa to go to an online school. This is consistent with that approach but it is applying to high profile "good" schools, not the existing on-line only schools.

Doesn't make it any better, of course, but that seems to be the reasoning. Treat Harvard like U Phoenix.

And I don't think the quote above applies to hybrid schools that then shut down because of COVID. There, the student has the VISA and is properly enrolled then all shifts online. I don't think there is any guidance there, which is a big problem for those trying to make plans.

TO be clear, I think this sucks but I see the thought process.

Do you not understand that this affects students who are already enrolled in and already attending these schools that were in-person and now are forced by the pandemic to go partly or wholly online?

It's one thing to say, you're enrolling in what you know, when you enroll, is an all-online program so you have to do it from your home country (if you can, which some cannot).

It's a totally different thing to say, you're a sophomore at college X and have spent a year and a half on campus, or you're a rising senior with an eye on grad school... but now you need to move back to your country ASAP, or we'll kick you out.

Putting courses online is not the operating model of these colleges like it is for the University of Phoenix you so blithely cite. Their model is entirely based around in-person instruction and interaction. They are being forced by unprecedented circumstances to improvise a new, temporary model of instruction which they do NOT intend or want to continue as their ongoing mode of operations. Get it? Forced, unprecedented, temporary. But this idiotic application of the existing rule against visas for all-online schooling will devastate not just the colleges but more importantly a lot of students.

I think people like you see this and think, so what? Rich, elite schools like Harvard have to do without some international student cash. No big deal. Well, it's not just the Harvards affected, and as posters above have said repeatedly, international students are not piggy banks like many people assume they are, coming here to pay full ride.

Maybe you don't know any international students. My DC does. They are terrified that all the work they've put into their college studies so far is plunging right down the drain. They can't know today whether they'll be told at any time this month, next month, whenever, they have to leave or face deportation. They did everything right, got the correct visas, kept their status legal and iin order, and due to a virus beyond anyone's control, they will be screwed, for life in some cases. Some cannot drag out their educations over a few more semesters or years as they fight to get visas, transportation, etc. to come back, if they have to leave the country.

[Anonymous]

Does this apply to boarding school students too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, we now think it’s a good idea to force a few hundred thousand international students who are now in the US, a current covid hot spot, onto airplanes to scatter their germs around the world?

There may not even be flights to their home countries. What do they do then?

DP. Eventually we'll see some of those students end up arrested by ICE and put into detention facilities where there is spread of the virus. Like the many other immigrants in those facilities whose plight we seem no longer to recognize. I can only pray that their stories get out and are highly publicized everywhere.

+1. Those students who can’t be immediately deported to their home countries will be detained indefinitely by ICE. The virus will continue to spread in those detention facilities, and some students will die. It is inevitable.

If you support this policy, you also support the utterly avoidable deaths of those students. You can’t separate the two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this apply to boarding school students too?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

It's time for Higher Ed to flex political muscles...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, we now think it’s a good idea to force a few hundred thousand international students who are now in the US, a current covid hot spot, onto airplanes to scatter their germs around the world?

There may not even be flights to their home countries. What do they do then?

DP. Eventually we'll see some of those students end up arrested by ICE and put into detention facilities where there is spread of the virus. Like the many other immigrants in those facilities whose plight we seem no longer to recognize. I can only pray that their stories get out and are highly publicized everywhere.

+1. Those students who can’t be immediately deported to their home countries will be detained indefinitely by ICE. The virus will continue to spread in those detention facilities, and some students will die. It is inevitable.

If you support this policy, you also support the utterly avoidable deaths of those students. You can’t separate the two.

Oh sweet Jesus. Stop your overdramatic speculation. They are not going to detain, jail, and mark for death all students who have no flights available as a first line response. There are flights out of the country.