ICE announcement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is cruel and petty

This is the title of a forthcoming documentary about the Trump administration writ large.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's awakening how many spots are taken from Americans and given to international

Well the American k-12 education system sucks as a whole so I’m not surprised that U.S. universities desire international kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's awakening how many spots are taken from Americans and given to international

"taken from Americans"

WTF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Nope! Dickwipes indeed!

Isn't the rationale that this was essentially a pre-existing rule? That is, you can't get a visa to go to an online school. This is consistent with that approach but it is applying to high profile "good" schools, not the existing on-line only schools.

Doesn't make it any better, of course, but that seems to be the reasoning. Treat Harvard like U Phoenix.

And I don't think the quote above applies to hybrid schools that then shut down because of COVID. There, the student has the VISA and is properly enrolled then all shifts online. I don't think there is any guidance there, which is a big problem for those trying to make plans.

TO be clear, I think this sucks but I see the thought process.

[Anonymous]

Many, many foreign students pay full tuition here. So now if a school is fearful of losing a significant amount of money it's going to make decisions about the Fall with a greater focus on monetary impact over the scientific data, potentially putting many young people in danger. We've already seen spread in Greek houses at the U. of Washington.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Nope! Dickwipes indeed!

Isn't the rationale that this was essentially a pre-existing rule? That is, you can't get a visa to go to an online school. This is consistent with that approach but it is applying to high profile "good" schools, not the existing on-line only schools.

Doesn't make it any better, of course, but that seems to be the reasoning. Treat Harvard like U Phoenix.

And I don't think the quote above applies to hybrid schools that then shut down because of COVID. There, the student has the VISA and is properly enrolled then all shifts online. I don't think there is any guidance there, which is a big problem for those trying to make plans.

TO be clear, I think this sucks but I see the thought process.

You see the thought process of kicking out kids who are already here?

Someone needs to tell these dipsh!ts that the whole world is watching and you don’t get to be and stay the “leader of the free world” by sh!tting on the rest of it. I hope universities figure out some way around it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

It’s cruel. And cruelty is a feature, not a bug, now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

It’s cruel. And cruelty is a feature, not a bug, now.

You’re a bug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Nope! Dickwipes indeed!

Isn't the rationale that this was essentially a pre-existing rule? That is, you can't get a visa to go to an online school. This is consistent with that approach but it is applying to high profile "good" schools, not the existing on-line only schools.

Doesn't make it any better, of course, but that seems to be the reasoning. Treat Harvard like U Phoenix.

And I don't think the quote above applies to hybrid schools that then shut down because of COVID. There, the student has the VISA and is properly enrolled then all shifts online. I don't think there is any guidance there, which is a big problem for those trying to make plans.

TO be clear, I think this sucks but I see the thought process.

But Harvard is Phoenix U. And forcing colleges to open up when they don’t they can do so safely during a once in a century pandemic to offer something in person for foreign kids is ridiculous. Normal people see that colleges are pushing to get back to in person as fast as possible. But in some places, at some schools, it’s not possible to do this safely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

It’s cruel. And cruelty is a feature, not a bug, now.

You’re a bug.

Wow. You have the insult game of a 3 year old. Or a Trumpwit.

[Anonymous]

A lot of internationals are “full pay” and SLACs, in particular, rely on that $. We all saw this coming. Are you living under a rock? Our American rising seniors will not have to compete with that sector, but many SLACs may go under.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Nope! Dickwipes indeed!

Isn't the rationale that this was essentially a pre-existing rule? That is, you can't get a visa to go to an online school. This is consistent with that approach but it is applying to high profile "good" schools, not the existing on-line only schools.

Doesn't make it any better, of course, but that seems to be the reasoning. Treat Harvard like U Phoenix.

And I don't think the quote above applies to hybrid schools that then shut down because of COVID. There, the student has the VISA and is properly enrolled then all shifts online. I don't think there is any guidance there, which is a big problem for those trying to make plans.

TO be clear, I think this sucks but I see the thought process.

But Harvard is Phoenix U. And forcing colleges to open up when they don’t they can do so safely during a once in a century pandemic to offer something in person for foreign kids is ridiculous. Normal people see that colleges are pushing to get back to in person as fast as possible. But in some places, at some schools, it’s not possible to do this safely.

You clearly have a gripe against brilliant (way more prepared than US kids) international students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's awakening how many spots are taken from Americans and given to international

Your writing is atrocious. No wonder your spot went to an international student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not just about who goes to US colleges and universities. Anyone who depends, or will depend, on the research being done in US university labs today should start worrying. There is no one to run the benches without these students.

The pressure on institutions to behave as though COVID means business as usual will be unholy.

The racism of the Trump administration is so great that they will leverage the safety of the entire population to make this gain.

This will set us back in finding therapeutics and a vaccine. Lots of international grad students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of internationals are “full pay” and SLACs, in particular, rely on that $. We all saw this coming. Are you living under a rock? Our American rising seniors will not have to compete with that sector, but many SLACs may go under.

This exactly. I was a foreign student advisor for many years (I processed the paperwork for student visas) and can tell you that most students at my large East coast university were full pay. The ones that weren't received support because they were graduate students who worked as TAs and/or research assistants.

This move will be disastrous for many colleges/universities that rely on foreign students to balance their budgets and I expect some will fail. Not all schools have huge endowments like the Ivies and some others. The graduate STEM programs will also be affected by a dearth of int'l students to serve as teaching and research assistants. Foreign students are a cash cow for many colleges and reducing their number is a DUMB business move on the part of the government.

Another less tangible loss will be the shrinking influence of the US overseas. So many past and present world leaders have studied in the US, not to mention many foreign business people, scientists, and leaders in their fields. Weakening these US-foreign national ties is another dumb move on the part of the government. Allowing foreign students to study here is a form of soft diplomacy with immeasurable benefits.

I wonder what the logic is behind this move. I just don't get it.