People in Crisis - Why do they continue to have children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

Well OP if you know so much about women from those countries then what the hell did you ask the initial question for?
You act like you're the preeminent cultural expert and aficionado so you must already know why they continue to have children.

[Anonymous]

Have you ever had to flee? Been in a crisis-impacted setting? How would you get birth control when 1) the health clinics are destroyed, 2) the roads to get to the clinics can't be accessed, 3) birth control supplies can't be delivered to the clinics. I've spent plenty of time in refugee camps as a public health professional. This is the reality.

You need to educate yourself and break out of your over-privileged, judgmental bubble

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

New poster here and OP's question is anything but dumb. It's actually incredibly complex and interesting.
I work entirely with the Medicaid population in DC and to call this question "dumb" is fairly insulting to the poor.
It's actually pretty darn interesting and complex to understand why people without resources and/or in crisis do what they do in terms of having children
and a million other decisions that may not be in their best interest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

New poster here and OP's question is anything but dumb. It's actually incredibly complex and interesting.
I work entirely with the Medicaid population in DC and to call this question "dumb" is fairly insulting to the poor.
It's actually pretty darn interesting and complex to understand why people without resources and/or in crisis do what they do in terms of having children
and a million other decisions that may not be in their best interest.

So sum it up for us ms medicaid. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

New poster here and OP's question is anything but dumb. It's actually incredibly complex and interesting.
I work entirely with the Medicaid population in DC and to call this question "dumb" is fairly insulting to the poor.
It's actually pretty darn interesting and complex to understand why people without resources and/or in crisis do what they do in terms of having children
and a million other decisions that may not be in their best interest.

So sum it up for us ms medicaid. Inquiring minds want to know.

dp it's already been said

poor people want to be loved and they think having a baby will add love to their lives. They are too dumb/simple to think about facts like I can barely take care of myself how am I going to take care of myself and a baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

New poster here and OP's question is anything but dumb. It's actually incredibly complex and interesting.
I work entirely with the Medicaid population in DC and to call this question "dumb" is fairly insulting to the poor.
It's actually pretty darn interesting and complex to understand why people without resources and/or in crisis do what they do in terms of having children
and a million other decisions that may not be in their best interest.

So sum it up for us ms medicaid. Inquiring minds want to know.

The women who are calling refugee women out for having kids are the same ones who whine about having to take care of their own kids and expect their siblings, friends, neighbors, parents, to jsut step in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you ever had to flee? Been in a crisis-impacted setting? How would you get birth control when 1) the health clinics are destroyed, 2) the roads to get to the clinics can't be accessed, 3) birth control supplies can't be delivered to the clinics. I've spent plenty of time in refugee camps as a public health professional. This is the reality.

You need to educate yourself and break out of your over-privileged, judgmental bubble

Let’s not forget

There is no funding for birth control, because any group offering abortion is refused help from outside nations. Of course, a nation at war is not helping women with health care, much less birth ckntrol
Birth control is illegal and frowned upon, to the degree of death in some cultures
Food and clean water is barely accessible

[Anonymous]

Keep on Making America Great Again, OP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

New poster here and OP's question is anything but dumb. It's actually incredibly complex and interesting.
I work entirely with the Medicaid population in DC and to call this question "dumb" is fairly insulting to the poor.
It's actually pretty darn interesting and complex to understand why people without resources and/or in crisis do what they do in terms of having children
and a million other decisions that may not be in their best interest.

So sum it up for us ms medicaid. Inquiring minds want to know.

dp it's already been said

poor people want to be loved and they think having a baby will add love to their lives. They are too dumb/simple to think about facts like I can barely take care of myself how am I going to take care of myself and a baby.

This is so ignorant.
Where do you go for birth control and the like when you can barely access fresh food and regular health care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

New poster here and OP's question is anything but dumb. It's actually incredibly complex and interesting.
I work entirely with the Medicaid population in DC and to call this question "dumb" is fairly insulting to the poor.
It's actually pretty darn interesting and complex to understand why people without resources and/or in crisis do what they do in terms of having children
and a million other decisions that may not be in their best interest.

So sum it up for us ms medicaid. Inquiring minds want to know.

dp it's already been said

poor people want to be loved and they think having a baby will add love to their lives. They are too dumb/simple to think about facts like I can barely take care of myself how am I going to take care of myself and a baby.

Well that certainly explains how your dumb ass parents ended having your stupid ass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

It's an honest question, and I got honest answers ... unsurprisingly, not everyone agrees. You should check your white privilege that allows you to think that just because you lived abroad you know everything. Still waiting on the source that says the majority of women refugees are uneducated. Please do share.

Who said I'm white, you nitwit? You really are embarrassing yourself.

To be fair to the PP, you sure do sound white.

What does it mean, to sound white? I am the PP above and I happen to be an Indian immigrant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

It's an honest question, and I got honest answers ... unsurprisingly, not everyone agrees. You should check your white privilege that allows you to think that just because you lived abroad you know everything. Still waiting on the source that says the majority of women refugees are uneducated. Please do share.

Who said I'm white, you nitwit? You really are embarrassing yourself.

So ... are you?

Don't you understand English?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

It's an honest question, and I got honest answers ... unsurprisingly, not everyone agrees. You should check your white privilege that allows you to think that just because you lived abroad you know everything. Still waiting on the source that says the majority of women refugees are uneducated. Please do share.

Who said I'm white, you nitwit? You really are embarrassing yourself.

OP, the majority of posters on this thread are embarrassed for you.

And of course you are white.

I’m the OP. I am not the one that said “who said I’m white, you nitwit?” That’s the “researcher” who can’t offer sources to back up her claim.

I’m actually from a third world country, a place that this name-caller would probably erroneously deem has mostly uneducated women who have no rights.

I'm even more embarrassed for you, OP. I'm the person who said I'm not white and I was born and raised in India. I am familiar with the circumstances that lead people to have children they cannot adequately provide for. You must have lived in a very privilege bubble in your home country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I specifically did not call out why women continue to have children, because I don't think it is all on their shoulders - their husbands have a role to play. And I am not talking about the women that are subjected to rape, which is horrible and out of their control.

I find it really telling that many of you assume that all refugees are ignorant, uneducated women who have zero rights. Not all women from those countries have no agency. That is a gross assumption.

No, idiot, it is not a "gross assumption." I've lived in several of those countries, and yes, the majority of women in the societies from which the US receives the most refugees ARE uneducated and with very little rights. I am embarrassed for you, but I also doubt there is any hope for you to really understand how the greater world works at this point. God. Just take your privilege and idiocy and go get a manicure or something, OP. You should probably keep your mouth shut on topics you don't understand in the future to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

OP here - I asked a legitimate question, I'm not embarrassed about it. I'm embarrassed that you seem to not be able to have a rational conversation about things. I would check that anger.

Work on your IQ first. You asked a very dumb question and got rightfully called out on it.

It's an honest question, and I got honest answers ... unsurprisingly, not everyone agrees. You should check your white privilege that allows you to think that just because you lived abroad you know everything. Still waiting on the source that says the majority of women refugees are uneducated. Please do share.

Who said I'm white, you nitwit? You really are embarrassing yourself.

OP, the majority of posters on this thread are embarrassed for you.

And of course you are white.

I’m the OP. I am not the one that said “who said I’m white, you nitwit?” That’s the “researcher” who can’t offer sources to back up her claim.

I’m actually from a third world country, a place that this name-caller would probably erroneously deem has mostly uneducated women who have no rights.

I'm even more embarrassed for you, OP. I'm the person who said I'm not white and I was born and raised in India. I am familiar with the circumstances that lead people to have children they cannot adequately provide for. You must have lived in a very privilege bubble in your home country.

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Let me guess, OP, you lived in a higher caste or class, with servants and the like. Crisis was on your doorstep, but you choose not to see it because hey, their circumstances are not yours.

Your post is really the perfect example of “it’s not happening to me, so it must not be happening” that is so prevalent.,

Don’t assume anything until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes. I’ve lived in the same country my whole life. Based on many factors, my access to things like fresh food, health care, and other supports have varied widely, although I’m the same person. In this case, you are referring to women in crisis. Do you know what that entails?

[Anonymous]

Humans are social animals.

Let me repeat that for the know-it-all doofuses who struggle with basic facts upthread...

Humans are social animals.

That means whether they're rich and comfortably settled in a good environment or dirt poor and traveling thousands of miles to get to another country in hope of better opportunity people are going to interact with one another.

Humans are social animals.
It bears repeating one more time.

That means they're going to establish connections they're going to develop affinities they're going to seek companionship's they're going to form relationships and (SURPRISE!!) they're going to do the nasty and if you recall from those early lessons about the birds and the bees that's how babies are made.

Now if you don't know what pleasure people get out of doing the nasty, well you're probably one of the folks frequently flooding the Relationships Forum complaining about your husband cheating on you or your wife treating you like shit.

So we take those two things...
#1 Humans are social animals
#2 People get pleasure out of doing the nasty
And when we throw in the lack of contraception as many previous posters have mentioned and then when you mix those three things up with numerous other cultural and emotional and psychological factors and VIOLA!!!

There's your answer as to why people even when they're in less than ideal circumstances still manage to procreate.

Any other questions?