If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of listening to Americans lecture others about taking over someone's land is priceless. Do you even know your own history?

As for the rest of this: There have been Jews living in Judea and Samaria for centuries. The reason why there were fewer of them in Israel rather than other parts of the world has to do with how many times Israel has been conquered and the dispersal of people every time. The last ones to conquer were the Arabs (yes, the Arabs are not from the area they came from someplace else).

Everyone came from somewhere else.

The fact that you use the terms Judea and Samaria tells me all I need to know about your feeling of Jewish entitlement to that land.

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Anonymous wrote:The US is an outlier, but even here attitudes are changing among younger, college-educated adults who will be setting US policy in the future.

I doubt it. More Jews live here than anywhere else in the world. They tend to be highly educated, affluent, and most important, politically active around a single voting issue. They're like the Olds wrt Social Security. The rest of the population can be split by a variety of wedge issues. Jews will continue to vote on American foreign policy vis a vis Israel.

I think you do not have a handle on the views of younger, college-educated American Jews towards Israeli policy. There are few ways to ostracize yourself better among your peers than to provide unequivocal support for whatever Israel wants to do. The biggest supporters of Israel will be Tea Party Republicans who are anxiously awaiting the Second Coming, but couldn't find Israel on a map if they tried.

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Anonymous wrote:The US is an outlier, but even here attitudes are changing among younger, college-educated adults who will be setting US policy in the future.

I doubt it. More Jews live here than anywhere else in the world. They tend to be highly educated, affluent, and most important, politically active around a single voting issue. They're like the Olds wrt Social Security. The rest of the population can be split by a variety of wedge issues. Jews will continue to vote on American foreign policy vis a vis Israel.

I think you do not have a handle on the views of younger, college-educated American Jews towards Israeli policy. There are few ways to ostracize yourself better among your peers than to provide unequivocal support for whatever Israel wants to do. The biggest supporters of Israel will be Tea Party Republicans who are anxiously awaiting the Second Coming, but couldn't find Israel on a map if they tried.

You might introduce yourself as a Zionist to your peers or support their side in discussions but that doesn't mean you want the US to stop funding Israel militarily.

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Anonymous wrote:How many Arab countries are there? Why can't the Palestinians go there? Answer? The Arab countries don't want them.

Even the Arab governments are blaming Hamas for the current crisis. Only leftists, including self hating Jews blame Israel.

I have read the most appalling propaganda on DCUM. Judaism is a religion of peace. Israeli doctors treat those who are wounded. They call and air drop leaflets to warn people before they bomb. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

So let's occupy Uruguay and take over their land. I mean there are so many other countries in South America, why can't the people of Uruguay go someplace else?

Or maybe even here at home - how about North Carolina take over South Carolina, and kick out all the residents there? I mean there are so many other states the people from South Carolina could move to.

Do you understand what an utterly ridiculous comment you're making?

Dude you sound like you are talking out of your ass. Did you know that zionists had bought up much of the land in question before the partition? Only about 30% was actually "taken" from people. It was voted on and sanctioned by the world community in the aftermath of a global war. Yeah, things like state borders *tend* to get shaken up a bit after things like world wars in which tens of millions of people are killed. That's just the way it goes. Time to suck it up and deal. And, let's not forget, the area in question in the middle of a god forsaken desert. These people fight over it because they want a fight.

Is this why Israel continued to build illegal settlements in the middle of a "godforsaken desert"? Listen to the Israeli settler discourse. "I live here because God commands me to live here and I don't care about who I have to hurt to do it."

That only flies if Israel gets enough support from the U.S. to terrorize others in the region.

Stop writing the blank check and Israel will stop provoking its neighbors with illegal settlements. Right now they are high-rollers living on other people's land with other people's money.

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http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

An op ed in the Jerusalem Times by Gilad Sharon, sone of Ariel Sharon, former Israeli prime minister.

He sees Gaza as an independent state against which Israel is declaring out and out war, not as a refugee camp of displaced people. He calls for all of Gaza to be obliterated (like the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasake) -- civilians, women, children, everyone.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

The Gaza Strip functions as a state – it has a government and conducts foreign relations, there are schools, medical facilities, there are armed forces and all the other trappings of statehood. We have no territorial conflict with “Gaza State,” and it is not under Israeli siege – it shares a border with Egypt. Despite this, it fires on our citizens without restraint.

Why do our citizens have to live with rocket fire from Gaza while we fight with our hands tied? Why are the citizens of Gaza immune? If the Syrians were to open fire on our towns, would we not attack Damascus? If the Cubans were to fire at Miami, wouldn’t Havana suffer the consequences? That’s what’s called “deterrence” – if you shoot at me, I’ll shoot at you. There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

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The Palestinians don't have to go anywhere. As I said, if they'd stop blowing themselves up and voting for terrorist representation they could live nicely. Where should they go when they are warned to evacuate? Don't know the answer but it's better than no warning like the Israelis get. Yesterday the Palestinians sent a bomb over the border attached to a donkey. Life isn't sacred to them. Sadly, the Israelis have to stop the ambulances and make sure that everything is clear before they let them proceed. They have treated thousands of Palestinians over the years.

Congratulations, you have successfully dehumanized the whole people. Of course, these Palestinians aren't human. They aren't like us. They don't feel pain the way we do. They don't mind dying, after all. Life isn't sacred to them. And their life sure as hell ain't sacred to us.

Dr.Goebbels would be very proud of you.

NP here. This is really astounding. REALLY, 1st PP, you don't think that a whole people think life isn't sacred!?

When we've lost the ability to consider things from both sides, even the perspective of an enemy, we have lost our own humanity. Shame on you, 1st PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't Jews acclamate, wherever, like everyone else? Why grab other people's land? And kill off innocents?

Didn't the Palestinians try to "grab" a piece of Israel? Isn't that how this whole thing started 30 years ago? Then when Israel won, they said "Fine, we'll just stop attacking you and call it even"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I know of it. They were like shoplifters who got caught and then said, "Fine, we'll just put the item back on the shelf then" and Israel said, uh, no, that won't do the trick.

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Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.

What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.

I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

That's because Israel has to spend a fortune protecting themselves from them.

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Doesn't Brazil have more land than they can govern? Move Israel there.

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Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.

What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.

I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)

Are you offering to take them in?

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Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.

What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.

I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)

Are you offering to take them in?

We take in people all the time. I'm saying that the PP who justified Palestinian violence is wrong. It is not justifiable. Palestinians start the violence and then say they have no choice but to fight. It makes no sense. They have a choice. The should accept responsibility for the consequences of their choice to be violent.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't Brazil have more land than they can govern? Move Israel there.

Preferably in the heart of the Amazon. They can play soccer now in Manaus and the less the rest of the world has to deal with them the better.

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The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.


The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.



What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.


I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)



Are you offering to take them in?

They don't want to live here. They want to live on their own land. Niw if they want to come here find. Let them pick two or three states and resettle. It would be great if there was some way of off setting the pro Israel vote in congress. Could you image how fast Israel would sue for pestopwatch out the US support. We should stop the support for Israel. Stop all aid and demand all loans are paid back immediately. Israel must stop all settlements, dismantle the current settlements, give every palistinians in the occupied territories the right to vote, and pay reparation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.

What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.

I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)

Are you offering to take them in?

We take in people all the time. I'm saying that the PP who justified Palestinian violence is wrong. It is not justifiable. Palestinians start the violence and then say they have no choice but to fight. It makes no sense. They have a choice. The should accept responsibility for the consequences of their choice to be violent.

And Israel should accept responsibility for the consequences of its choices to expel the Palestinians from their homeland, expand beyond its internationally recognized borders, and systematically dehumanize those in Gaza and the West Bank.