If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

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Anonymous wrote:As a (Christian) US citizen, I would support having New Israel here in the US. Invite every single Israeli to come live here. Give Palestine back to the Palestinians.
It was wrong to expel those people from their homes for a crime they had nothing to do with. There will never be peace there until this is rectified.

Just go read a LITTLE about the conflict and how it started. The UN Resolution 181 gave two states: one Arab and one Jewish. The Arabs couldn't stand the idea of the Jews having their own country and decided collectively to attack the new country. They asked the Arabs to leave so they could get the job done and then they could come back. Didn't work out too well for them though.

"New Israel" ? I know you didn't mean it to be insulting, but think of it this way: Why don't we just send all of the (insert Native American tribe name here) to Africa? They have a lot of land and I'm sure they would be happy there. No, thanks, Jews have been in the region for over 4000 years and I really don't see why anyone should accede to the whims of anti-semitic terrorists

They weren't opposed to giving the Jews their own country, but only to having their own lands expropriated by European powers for that purpose. Big difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

I am not going to rehash the arguments that people have been making on the numerous threads dedicated to the Hamas/Israel conflict. What is interesting to me is that while Israel has dedicated money to DEFEND itself with the iron dome, Hamas has dedicated funds to build tunnels and purchase weaponry to go on offense.
It is also no wonder that these groups cannot come to an amicable conclusion. One only has to read the hundreds of posts on the numerous threads on this site to see that if people HERE cannot debate this issue in a reasonable way, how can we expect those in “the thick of it” to come up with some kind of compromise?

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of listening to Americans lecture others about taking over someone's land is priceless. Do you even know your own history?

As for the rest of this: There have been Jews living in Judea and Samaria for centuries. The reason why there were fewer of them in Israel rather than other parts of the world has to do with how many times Israel has been conquered and the dispersal of people every time. The last ones to conquer were the Arabs (yes, the Arabs are not from the area they came from someplace else).

The Americans provide billions of dollars of support to Israel. If we don't have standing to care about how our money is spent, we might as well stayed a British colony.

Judea and Samaria are not equivalent to all of Palestine, no matter how many times Jewish radicals have tried to suggest otherwise. And, if many different people have lived in that area over the centuries, it's all the more reason why no area should be reserved to Jews. Apartheid is apartheid.

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Israel stole that land and continues to invade it inch by inch, taking everything from people that have nothing, they are greedy bastards. Don't deserve their own country.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

I am not going to rehash the arguments that people have been making on the numerous threads dedicated to the Hamas/Israel conflict. What is interesting to me is that while Israel has dedicated money to DEFEND itself with the iron dome, Hamas has dedicated funds to build tunnels and purchase weaponry to go on offense.
It is also no wonder that these groups cannot come to an amicable conclusion. One only has to read the hundreds of posts on the numerous threads on this site to see that if people HERE cannot debate this issue in a reasonable way, how can we expect those in “the thick of it” to come up with some kind of compromise?

Israel isn't killing innocent people with the iron dome. Far more money is being spent on the military hardware Israel uses to kill and maim civilians than on tunnels built in Gaza. Of course some of that money is ours, which makes it all the more revolting that our Cold War strategies have devolved into underwriting genocide.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

I am not going to rehash the arguments that people have been making on the numerous threads dedicated to the Hamas/Israel conflict. What is interesting to me is that while Israel has dedicated money to DEFEND itself with the iron dome, Hamas has dedicated funds to build tunnels and purchase weaponry to go on offense.
It is also no wonder that these groups cannot come to an amicable conclusion. One only has to read the hundreds of posts on the numerous threads on this site to see that if people HERE cannot debate this issue in a reasonable way, how can we expect those in “the thick of it” to come up with some kind of compromise?

Israel isn't killing innocent people with the iron dome. Far more money is being spent on the military hardware Israel uses to kill and maim civilians than on tunnels built in Gaza. Of course some of that money is ours, which makes it all the more revolting that our Cold War strategies have devolved into underwriting genocide.

Yes, but if the iron dome was not in place, Hamas would have killed hundreds, if not thousands of Israelis.
I am pretty much done with these threads. I am seeing no good coming from them. Only more hate.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the world does understand. The world created Israel as the Jewish state. Plenty of countries have come and gone over the years.

No the world doesn't get it. There have been massive protests in every major world city. Israel has backed ITSELF into a corner. Israel is an apartheid state and is quickly become a pariah. Judaism has little to do with it. This is a perversion of Zionism.

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Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

They didn't ask because they didn't have to. Victor's prerogative.

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Anonymous wrote:Surviving the Holocaust doesn't justify perpetrating another...

The Palestinians didn't make the gas chambers. They deserve a homeland too.

Of course they do. The only answer here is a peaceful two state solution. However, it won't happen until there are enough moderates on both sides fed up with the killings. The rest of the world should stay out of it as best they can until that happens.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

I am not going to rehash the arguments that people have been making on the numerous threads dedicated to the Hamas/Israel conflict. What is interesting to me is that while Israel has dedicated money to DEFEND itself with the iron dome, Hamas has dedicated funds to build tunnels and purchase weaponry to go on offense.
It is also no wonder that these groups cannot come to an amicable conclusion. One only has to read the hundreds of posts on the numerous threads on this site to see that if people HERE cannot debate this issue in a reasonable way, how can we expect those in “the thick of it” to come up with some kind of compromise?

Israel isn't killing innocent people with the iron dome. Far more money is being spent on the military hardware Israel uses to kill and maim civilians than on tunnels built in Gaza. Of course some of that money is ours, which makes it all the more revolting that our Cold War strategies have devolved into underwriting genocide.

Yes, but if the iron dome was not in place, Hamas would have killed hundreds, if not thousands of Israelis.
I am pretty much done with these threads. I am seeing no good coming from them. Only more hate.

Good. Your rhetoric was totally disingenuous, so I don't know why you'd expect it to pass without comment.

If Hamas's rockets actually had any impact, perhaps Israel's policies toward harassing and killing civilians and building illegal settlements that violate international law would be different. Or, more likely, Israel simply would bring even more of its military firepower down on Gaza.

In either case, Israel is not interested in any peace that does not involve terrorizing and subjugating Palestinians, and the world now sees that more clearly than ever before.

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Anonymous wrote:Surviving the Holocaust doesn't justify perpetrating another...

The Palestinians didn't make the gas chambers. They deserve a homeland too.

Of course they do. The only answer here is a peaceful two state solution. However, it won't happen until there are enough moderates on both sides fed up with the killings. The rest of the world should stay out of it as best they can until that happens.

I would love for the US to have stayed out of it, but our hands are more than a little sullied here.

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Anonymous wrote:How many Arab countries are there? Why can't the Palestinians go there? Answer? The Arab countries don't want them.

Even the Arab governments are blaming Hamas for the current crisis. Only leftists, including self hating Jews blame Israel.

I have read the most appalling propaganda on DCUM. Judaism is a religion of peace. Israeli doctors treat those who are wounded. They call and air drop leaflets to warn people before they bomb. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

So let's occupy Uruguay and take over their land. I mean there are so many other countries in South America, why can't the people of Uruguay go someplace else?

Or maybe even here at home - how about North Carolina take over South Carolina, and kick out all the residents there? I mean there are so many other states the people from South Carolina could move to.

Do you understand what an utterly ridiculous comment you're making?

Dude you sound like you are talking out of your ass. Did you know that zionists had bought up much of the land in question before the partition? Only about 30% was actually "taken" from people. It was voted on and sanctioned by the world community in the aftermath of a global war. Yeah, things like state borders *tend* to get shaken up a bit after things like world wars in which tens of millions of people are killed. That's just the way it goes. Time to suck it up and deal. And, let's not forget, the area in question in the middle of a god forsaken desert. These people fight over it because they want a fight.

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Anonymous wrote:The US is an outlier, but even here attitudes are changing among younger, college-educated adults who will be setting US policy in the future.

I doubt it. More Jews live here than anywhere else in the world. They tend to be highly educated, affluent, and most important, politically active around a single voting issue. They're like the Olds wrt Social Security. The rest of the population can be split by a variety of wedge issues. Jews will continue to vote on American foreign policy vis a vis Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:How many Arab countries are there? Why can't the Palestinians go there? Answer? The Arab countries don't want them.

Even the Arab governments are blaming Hamas for the current crisis. Only leftists, including self hating Jews blame Israel.

I have read the most appalling propaganda on DCUM. Judaism is a religion of peace. Israeli doctors treat those who are wounded. They call and air drop leaflets to warn people before they bomb. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

So let's occupy Uruguay and take over their land. I mean there are so many other countries in South America, why can't the people of Uruguay go someplace else?

Or maybe even here at home - how about North Carolina take over South Carolina, and kick out all the residents there? I mean there are so many other states the people from South Carolina could move to.

Do you understand what an utterly ridiculous comment you're making?

Dude you sound like you are talking out of your ass. Did you know that zionists had bought up much of the land in question before the partition? Only about 30% was actually "taken" from people. It was voted on and sanctioned by the world community in the aftermath of a global war. Yeah, things like state borders *tend* to get shaken up a bit after things like world wars in which tens of millions of people are killed. That's just the way it goes. Time to suck it up and deal. And, let's not forget, the area in question in the middle of a god forsaken desert. These people fight over it because they want a fight.

Is this why Israel continued to build illegal settlements in the middle of a "godforsaken desert"? Listen to the Israeli settler discourse. "I live here because God commands me to live here and I don't care about who I have to hurt to do it."