If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but

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Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.

What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.

I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)

Are you offering to take them in?

We take in people all the time. I'm saying that the PP who justified Palestinian violence is wrong. It is not justifiable. Palestinians start the violence and then say they have no choice but to fight. It makes no sense. They have a choice. The should accept responsibility for the consequences of their choice to be violent.

And Israel should accept responsibility for the consequences of its choices to expel the Palestinians from their homeland, expand beyond its internationally recognized borders, and systematically dehumanize those in Gaza and the West Bank.

This reminds me of shows I hear on NPR (and I'm a total liberal) about men who break the law and how devastating the jail time is for their families. It is referred to "before the jail time happened" as if it were an illness that no one was responsible for, instead of talking about it as if the crime really hurt the family members. In other words, the Palestinians created this situation. They are responsible for it. Israel is defending itself against their actions and has been from the beginning, not the other way around. That Israel is much bigger, has more money and power and friends in the world is something they should have taken into consideration before they decided to wage ongoing conflict with them.

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The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.


The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.



What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.


I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)



Are you offering to take them in?

They don't want to live here. They want to live on their own land. Niw if they want to come here find. Let them pick two or three states and resettle. It would be great if there was some way of off setting the pro Israel vote in congress. Could you image how fast Israel would sue for pestopwatch out the US support. We should stop the support for Israel. Stop all aid and demand all loans are paid back immediately. Israel must stop all settlements, dismantle the current settlements, give every palistinians in the occupied territories the right to vote, and pay reparation.

They are our ally -- why would we do that? We need allies in that part of the world. Not going to happen.

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Check the #PrayforGaza page on Tumblr and you'll know why the world hates Israel and its residents with a white-hot passion that will not dissipate for a very, very long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Check the #PrayforGaza page on Tumblr and you'll know why the world hates Israel and its residents with a white-hot passion that will not dissipate for a very, very long time.

I doubt that.

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Anonymous wrote:Check the #PrayforGaza page on Tumblr and you'll know why the world hates Israel and its residents with a white-hot passion that will not dissipate for a very, very long time.

I doubt that.

People tend to remember human filth who murder children.

Boycott Israel!

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Anonymous wrote:Check the #PrayforGaza page on Tumblr and you'll know why the world hates Israel and its residents with a white-hot passion that will not dissipate for a very, very long time.

I doubt that.

People tend to remember human filth who murder children.

Boycott Israel!

The Palestinians are the same, exactly. Plus they start it, every time.

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Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.

The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.

America was a land of opportunity for Europeans. People came with their families and had something to live for. They had less in Europe to live for and more opportunities here. They won this land by killing the native Americans. So - not the same circumstances and the rule of the gun won the west for the White man here as well.
THis wonderful land was won by the slave labor of blacks and by snatching the land of the Native Americans.

In the middle east - If you bomb civilians and kill the entire families, then the survivor have nothing to live for. He will kill people responsible for the destruction of his family. Every time there is collateral damage by US or NATO forces or Israel - I shudder to think how many more terrorists who have nothing to live for have been created.

Their behavior is very excusable. If I was the parent of the 4 kids killed in the bombing - I would do everything I could to destroy those responsible. I would have nothing else to live for but revenge.

That is the reason , you can never win against terrorists. You can win against an army - but they are not playing that game anymore, are they? So, we have no idea where they will strike. And millions of US dollars that could have have been spend on Education, Economy, Environment - is being spend on trying to fight a shadow enemy who has nothing to live for. What can we bargain and negotiate with, when most have nothing to live for!

Besides - Holocaust was a European phenomenon, so Israel should be carved out of Germany or some place in Europe. Maybe US can hand over some parts of Utah to the Israelis, or let all of them immigrate to the US. Why not? We are letting everyone else migrate here anyways.

The bolded statement is you (and maybe the Palestinians, who knows) but again, it's not the way most people react.

NP, I think you are not being honest. Take out the Palestinian/Israelis conflict and just make this an every day Virginia murder. If your four children were murdered in your neat little FFX home, you and most of your family would be screaming for the death penalty. In addition, if you believed you could sue and bankrupt the killers, their insurance, family under a wrongful death premise and prevail, you would do that after a criminal conviction. That is you and your family on steroids doing everything you can to destroy those responsible.

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Anonymous wrote:Check the #PrayforGaza page on Tumblr and you'll know why the world hates Israel and its residents with a white-hot passion that will not dissipate for a very, very long time.

I doubt that.

People tend to remember human filth who murder children.

Boycott Israel!

The Palestinians are the same, exactly. Plus they start it, every time.

The Jews expelled the Palestinians from their homes, and keep building the illegal settlements contrary to international law. This entire campaign in Gaza is the result of Israeli provocation, and designed to create an even larger security buffer zone for Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

That's because Israel has to spend a fortune protecting themselves from them.

Israel not spending a fortune of its own money. They are spending US taxpayers fortunes.

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The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.


The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.



What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.


I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)



Are you offering to take them in?

They don't want to live here. They want to live on their own land. Niw if they want to come here find. Let them pick two or three states and resettle. It would be great if there was some way of off setting the pro Israel vote in congress. Could you image how fast Israel would sue for pestopwatch out the US support. We should stop the support for Israel. Stop all aid and demand all loans are paid back immediately. Israel must stop all settlements, dismantle the current settlements, give every palistinians in the occupied territories the right to vote, and pay reparation.


They are our ally -- why would we do that? We need allies in that part of the world. Not going to happen.

They are not our ally. To be an ally you have to have some thing the other partner wants or needs. They are client state where we for some reason do not tell them what to do. The state of Israel is against the the interst of the US.

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Check the #PrayforGaza page on Tumblr and you'll know why the world hates Israel and its residents with a white-hot passion that will not dissipate for a very, very long time.



I doubt that.


People tend to remember human filth who murder children.

Boycott Israel!


The Palestinians are the same, exactly. Plus they start it, every time.

Stop with your lies. The Israelis are the evil ones and god knows.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Israelis leave? They are the problem.

Wrong. No. Not gonna happen.

World to Palestinians: get over it. Only Hamas stands in the way of a durable peace (what do you expect from a designated terrorist organization?).

So there's a couple that quarrels all the time. The woman regularly nags the man and says how much better she'd be without him. In a rage, he kills the woman and all her children. At his trial he says all he'd wanted to do was to get her to stop nagging, but it's ultimately all the woman's fault and her children should have picked a better mother.

Amazingly, the jury is not moved and he gets the death penalty. So too should the state of Israel. States that murder innocent children on beaches and rooftops forfeit their right to international recognition. Arrange for the relocation of the Israelis but dismantle the Israeli state and send Netanyahu to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. Anything less will completely make a mockery of the international justice system.

Nagging? So you equate the launching of thousands of deadly missiles to nagging? Unreal.

Given the lack of damage most cause, yes. Care to recap how many more Palestinians Israel has massacred compared to the number of Israeli casualties?

That's because Israel has to spend a fortune protecting themselves from them.

Israel not spending a fortune of its own money. They are spending US taxpayers fortunes.

Israel spends $14 billion of its own money on defense. $3 billion was given to Israel by the US, which is <1% of our deficit. Israel is certainly spending a fortune of their own money, and they have already spent $450 million on Iron Dome, which is 2% of their defense expenditures and our aid combined, so it is certainly a fortune, mostly probably of their own money.

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The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.


The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.



What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.


I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)



Are you offering to take them in?

They don't want to live here. They want to live on their own land. Niw if they want to come here find. Let them pick two or three states and resettle. It would be great if there was some way of off setting the pro Israel vote in congress. Could you image how fast Israel would sue for pestopwatch out the US support. We should stop the support for Israel. Stop all aid and demand all loans are paid back immediately. Israel must stop all settlements, dismantle the current settlements, give every palistinians in the occupied territories the right to vote, and pay reparation.

They are our ally -- why would we do that? We need allies in that part of the world. Not going to happen.

Let's be real, Israel is not our ally! Israel is in it for Israel. What has Israel done for the USA period? Israel spies on the USA. Israel is still pressing the USA to release the Pollard sky as a condition of a middle east peace deal. Israel has provided sanctuary to those who have committed murder in the USA (Sheinbein). Israel provided fake intel to the USA regarding Iraq's WMD, only because Israel wanted Saddam gone (they accused Saddam of going support to bombers in the Gaza). What benefit has Isreal been to the USA? I would venture the negatives greatly outweigh the positives.

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The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.


The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.



What a bad example, these newcomers did so based on the decimation of the native people already here. From 1492 onward. Give Isreal enough centuries and they will wipe out all the natives too and be able to whitewash their history with the same lame BS.


I'm talking about our lifetimes. America TODAY is full of people who came here because life in their own country simply was not livable anymore. They moved on and made a new life for themselves. They didn't say, "I will never be whole again. I will inflict pain and suffering on others around me until the day I die" the way you describe. In other words, they had a healthy reaction to loss, and did not react the way the Palestinians YOU DESCRIBE are reacting. (I have no idea if you speak for Palestinians or are an armchair justifier of violence.)



Are you offering to take them in?

They don't want to live here. They want to live on their own land. Niw if they want to come here find. Let them pick two or three states and resettle. It would be great if there was some way of off setting the pro Israel vote in congress. Could you image how fast Israel would sue for pestopwatch out the US support. We should stop the support for Israel. Stop all aid and demand all loans are paid back immediately. Israel must stop all settlements, dismantle the current settlements, give every palistinians in the occupied territories the right to vote, and pay reparation.

They are our ally -- why would we do that? We need allies in that part of the world. Not going to happen.

Let's be real, Israel is not our ally! Israel is in it for Israel. What has Israel done for the USA period? Israel spies on the USA. Israel is still pressing the USA to release the Pollard sky as a condition of a middle east peace deal. Israel has provided sanctuary to those who have committed murder in the USA (Sheinbein). Israel provided fake intel to the USA regarding Iraq's WMD, only because Israel wanted Saddam gone (they accused Saddam of going support to bombers in the Gaza). What benefit has Isreal been to the USA? I would venture the negatives greatly outweigh the positives.

14:30 here. Israel apologized for the Pollard spy, they could have made an error about WMDs like we did, prison is not a sanctuary, and we need an ally in that region to give us an insider's look at terrorists in that region.

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If they are so apologetic for Pollard, by the way we have a more recent Israel spy, why are they pressing the President to either release Pollard or relinquish him to them

Apparently Sheinbein considered jail time in Israel was more advantageous to him than jail time in maryland. Therefore, it was sanctuary for him.

The reason we have so many enemies in that area is because of our undying can do no wrong support of Israel. Many would consider Israel IDF a terrorist group, so I guess it depends on how you define the word and who is yielding it.