When do you leave the sinking ship

[Anonymous]

I do think about this. But how do you move when you have a job? A kid heading to college ? And where do you go?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does anyone think other countries want us???

Some of them are courting people with useful skills. Others will simply take us as refugees.

Here you go!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-seeking-american-immigrants

I am a dual citizen with one of the European green countries and, if this chart says so, maybe the government is making things easy for Americans to move there but let me tell you clearly: the people of the country do not want Americans.

I haven’t gotten that feeling at all and I’ve recently been traveling overseas. People feel bad for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think about this. But how do you move when you have a job? A kid heading to college ? And where do you go?

It’s not going to be easy for a lot of people, but I’m pretty sure that people did not regret leaving things behind in Germany. They had to rebuild their lives but they were alive and free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think about this. But how do you move when you have a job? A kid heading to college ? And where do you go?

Find a new job. One that is in demand in your new country. And hope they let you work and live there. Have your kid apply to colleges in other countries.

Or do like most of us here are doing and stay or move to DC and hide in plain sight. Effectuate change from within. Fight here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do think about this. But how do you move when you have a job? A kid heading to college ? And where do you go?

It’s not going to be easy for a lot of people, but I’m pretty sure that people did not regret leaving things behind in Germany. They had to rebuild their lives but they were alive and free.

It was a bad place during the war and directly afterwards, but now people want to go back to Europe. Things always change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do think about this. But how do you move when you have a job? A kid heading to college ? And where do you go?

Find a new job. One that is in demand in your new country. And hope they let you work and live there. Have your kid apply to colleges in other countries.

Or do like most of us here are doing and stay or move to DC and hide in plain sight. Effectuate change from within. Fight here.

Even with a job it would be incredibly difficult to live in a new place with a new culture and not really knowing anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am continually amazed that people think it is so easy to just move permanently to another country.

You or your children have any disabilities or health conditions then other countries like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand aren’t taking you. You are over 40, good luck. You don’t have a parent or grandparent from the EU, or 5 million dollars or a highly skilled job? Not likely.

This. Additionally, does no one follow international news? Many countries are currently dealing with an alt right problem.

Yes, but are any first world western countries as bad off as the US?

How bad off is your daily life? Be honest.

[Anonymous]

I would love for the little scrapper to explain how to “fight here.” Our representatives have refused since 2017 to step up despite polling, constituent communications, protests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We could move to Canada, but it's going downhill fast. We have relatives who feel the standard of living has gone down to 2nd to 3rd-world levels, considering you look around, and Canada has an open-border policy.

lol…this is not real.

People like the one to whom you are responding should leave. We need citizens who actually give a damn when times are difficult. Let her go. Let them all go. We need patriots who stand up to injustice not people with give up sniveling and whining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We could move to Canada, but it's going downhill fast. We have relatives who feel the standard of living has gone down to 2nd to 3rd-world levels, considering you look around, and Canada has an open-border policy.

lol…this is not real.

People like the one to whom you are responding should leave. We need citizens who actually give a damn when times are difficult. Let her go. Let them all go. We need patriots who stand up to injustice not people with give up sniveling and whining.

It's not just a question of 'times are difficult'. There is real fear - especially if one has vulnerable family members. How do you balance protecting the vulnerable with fighting back while also making a living? Also, the entire nightmare of the last 10 years makes one question - do I actually belong in this country anymore? Do I want to fight for a country where a substantial percentage support MAGA? hatest science and the federal government? hates women? hates international institutions? Idk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am continually amazed that people think it is so easy to just move permanently to another country.

You or your children have any disabilities or health conditions then other countries like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand aren’t taking you. You are over 40, good luck. You don’t have a parent or grandparent from the EU, or 5 million dollars or a highly skilled job? Not likely.

I'm continually amazed that so many people act as though people never emigrate or move countries. People do so every day. It's more involved than many Americans realize but it is not the impossible feat so many people act like it is.

Both my husband and I have professional degrees on the list of desired talent for many countries, and we are not exceptional. We have family abroad in a few countries. We can prove ancestry for a few others. And we are descendants of slaves, meaning we have less documentation of our history than most white people.

If you want to move, you most likely can. It won't be fast or cheap but it is very possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We could move to Canada, but it's going downhill fast. We have relatives who feel the standard of living has gone down to 2nd to 3rd-world levels, considering you look around, and Canada has an open-border policy.

lol…this is not real.

People like the one to whom you are responding should leave. We need citizens who actually give a damn when times are difficult. Let her go. Let them all go. We need patriots who stand up to injustice not people with give up sniveling and whining.

ESAD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We could move to Canada, but it's going downhill fast. We have relatives who feel the standard of living has gone down to 2nd to 3rd-world levels, considering you look around, and Canada has an open-border policy.

lol…this is not real.

People like the one to whom you are responding should leave. We need citizens who actually give a damn when times are difficult. Let her go. Let them all go. We need patriots who stand up to injustice not people with give up sniveling and whining.

It's not just a question of 'times are difficult'. There is real fear - especially if one has vulnerable family members. How do you balance protecting the vulnerable with fighting back while also making a living? Also, the entire nightmare of the last 10 years makes one question - do I actually belong in this country anymore? Do I want to fight for a country where a substantial percentage support MAGA? hatest science and the federal government? hates women? hates international institutions? Idk.

This. We are considering leaving because we are among the targeted identities, and the last couple of years have made clear that while we may not be in immediate danger (for now), we are quite obviously not intended to thrive here. And I think that's enough reason to consider other options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We could move to Canada, but it's going downhill fast. We have relatives who feel the standard of living has gone down to 2nd to 3rd-world levels, considering you look around, and Canada has an open-border policy.

lol…this is not real.

People like the one to whom you are responding should leave. We need citizens who actually give a damn when times are difficult. Let her go. Let them all go. We need patriots who stand up to injustice not people with give up sniveling and whining.

It's not just a question of 'times are difficult'. There is real fear - especially if one has vulnerable family members. How do you balance protecting the vulnerable with fighting back while also making a living? Also, the entire nightmare of the last 10 years makes one question - do I actually belong in this country anymore? Do I want to fight for a country where a substantial percentage support MAGA? hatest science and the federal government? hates women? hates international institutions? Idk.

THIS. Some spoiled to shit white Blue state smugmug thinks she can turn on her hefty hoof and say hey you cowards I’m doing the work (one call a day) so just gooooo because Murica don’t want you anyway. Well, snitch, I have family who are birthright citizens well past retirement age, and are changing travel because they are afraid of harassment. I have vulnerable people in my family who depend on me, DH, and others to live and be safe.

The question of how to be safe is a real one. I have been to protests and I have contacted my reps. Members of Congress who do not act NOW all should be replaced assuming our elections are actually held - and that is not hysteria. Does anyone remember that Giuliani tried to cancel the primary in the fall of 2001? He was awash in his own good press as “americas mayor” and thought he could just swat away term limits and be the hero of a rebuilt NYC. Here, we have serious doubt about what Trump and Miller will pull before the fall. Can we talk about that without some chunk scolding people for having rational fear? Does “doing the work” involve something beyond bookmarking Indivisible and having a crush on the pod John’s? GMAMFB. F off.

[Anonymous]

Gee, I don't know, but each time I come back from a foreign country I feel like I am lucky to be living in the USA. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good vacation at different places and enjoy culture, food, people, etc. But there isn't anything like it is over here in the USA.