What happens when religion and ideology conflict?

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Well then we agree. So tell me, if during a conversation with someone who is non-binary...I say oh, you're transgender, that's great. I actually believe in cis-genderism, but you do you. I respect it. Would you consider that hurtful?

Because I have another anology for you....if during a conversation with someone who is atheist...I say oh, you're atheist, that's great. I actually believe in God, but you do you. I respect it. Would you consider that hurtful?

It’d be like saying to someone who truly thinks they are funny that you don’t find them funny at all. Is that hurtful? It’s certainly not respectful.

Pretty crappy religion if it drives you to say hateful things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

That is the irony here. To some people, it’s not enough to respect others beliefs. You must believe in them as well.

You can believe what you want. Just keep it to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

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Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly [i]subjective and culturally constructed[b]. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

Just like gender

Precisely. Like I said, Gender is cultural attitudes and sex stereotypes. Any female can decide that she prefers to wear flannel, lift weights, and go hunting. This not the same thing as sex. Any female cannot decide that she has XY chromosomes and male genitals.

No one is changing sex. XX/XY will never change.

Physical sexual attributes are changeable though. Many people take HRT, get boob jobs/reductions, remove their body hair, try to grow more hair, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

“Sense of self” is not an “ideological belief”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

That is the irony here. To some people, it’s not enough to respect others beliefs. You must believe in them as well.

You can believe what you want. Just keep it to yourself.

Unfortunately for you, SCOTUS says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly [i]subjective and culturally constructed[b]. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

Just like gender

Precisely. Like I said, Gender is cultural attitudes and sex stereotypes. Any female can decide that she prefers to wear flannel, lift weights, and go hunting. This not the same thing as sex. Any female cannot decide that she has XY chromosomes and male genitals.

No one is changing sex. XX/XY will never change.

Physical sexual attributes are changeable though. Many people take HRT, get boob jobs/reductions, remove their body hair, try to grow more hair, etc.

Of course in this country adults generally have the freedom to do whatever they want, including body modifications.

The real question is if these body modifications can make a female a male and vice versa; and if the people whose personal belief is that they have changed sex have the right to force others to share this belief as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

“Sense of self” is not an “ideological belief”.

Of course it is a belief. What do you think it is? Science?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

That is the irony here. To some people, it’s not enough to respect others beliefs. You must believe in them as well.

Exactly. I have a serious issue with those "all or nothing" people. They are the ones causing the division that has fractured our society.

Tolerance and Respect have been lost in our society. We need to get this back if we are going to be a unified country again. But that requires Tolerance and Respect from both sides—compromise and acceptance. That is what we need our leaders to work on.

https://medium.com/@mjtoby1020/tolerance-and-respect-a-key-missing-ingredient-in-our-daily-lives-22b73641e548

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Well then we agree. So tell me, if during a conversation with someone who is non-binary...I say oh, you're transgender, that's great. I actually believe in cis-genderism, but you do you. I respect it. Would you consider that hurtful?

Because I have another anology for you....if during a conversation with someone who is atheist...I say oh, you're atheist, that's great. I actually believe in God, but you do you. I respect it. Would you consider that hurtful?

It’d be like saying to someone who truly thinks they are funny that you don’t find them funny at all. Is that hurtful? It’s certainly not respectful.

Pretty crappy religion if it drives you to say hateful things.

Believing in cisgenderism is not wrong. Too many snowflakes in our society!! You are simply unable to deal with opposing opinions with your sense of entitlement....people who are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions. That's what's wrong with our society.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

That is the irony here. To some people, it’s not enough to respect others beliefs. You must believe in them as well.

You can believe what you want. Just keep it to yourself.

Same right back at you.

[Anonymous]

There is no right or wrong when it comes to gender identity.....it's not wrong to believe in cisgenderism and it's not wrong to believe in transgenderism.

You know what is wrong? It's wrong to not tolerate and respect one another's beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

That is the irony here. To some people, it’s not enough to respect others beliefs. You must believe in them as well.

You can believe what you want. Just keep it to yourself.

Unfortunately for you, SCOTUS says otherwise.

Yes, it’s not illegal to be an a-hole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

“Sense of self” is not an “ideological belief”.

Of course it is a belief. What do you think it is? Science?

There are all kinds of “beliefs”. It’s not an ideological belief.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly [i]subjective and culturally constructed[b]. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

Just like gender

Precisely. Like I said, Gender is cultural attitudes and sex stereotypes. Any female can decide that she prefers to wear flannel, lift weights, and go hunting. This not the same thing as sex. Any female cannot decide that she has XY chromosomes and male genitals.

No one is changing sex. XX/XY will never change.

Physical sexual attributes are changeable though. Many people take HRT, get boob jobs/reductions, remove their body hair, try to grow more hair, etc.

Of course in this country adults generally have the freedom to do whatever they want, including body modifications.

The real question is if these body modifications can make a female a male and vice versa; and if the people whose personal belief is that they have changed sex have the right to force others to share this belief as well.

No one changes sex. You will always be XX/XY. That’s immutable.

Gender is more fluid.

Sex is different than gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no right or wrong when it comes to gender identity.....it's not wrong to believe in cisgenderism and it's not wrong to believe in transgenderism.

You know what is wrong? It's wrong to not tolerate and respect one another's beliefs.

If you want to know why the RWNJs populism rose to nearly represent half of our society (while using Trump as their puppet)...it's because the LWNJs forgot all about Tolerance and Respect for the majority of our society. They went too far and crossed the line. Now the RWNJs are going too far and crossing the line back and with great fervor with lack of Tolerance and Respect for the majority of our society.

So I have no hope for our fractured society. If Trump wins you know who I will actually blame? The LWNJs who have no Tolerance and Respect for the majority of our society. If Harris wins I will likewise blame the RWNJs who have no Tolerance and Respect for the majority of our society.

My problem is without Tolerance and Respect we are a doomed society. So if you truly want to know what my belief is today? Our society is doomed.

Signed a closet Christian.