What happens when religion and ideology conflict?

[Anonymous]

Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

[Anonymous]

Religion to me is organized religion. It is different from beliefs or ideology. Religion is business.

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

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Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

The best slogan for any of the presidential nominees should be “ I do me, you do you”. Interpretations of the "you do you" slogan....

“Do not try to preach to me about how to live my life, and in return, I will not try to influence you to change how you live your life.”
“Do not try to change me. I will not try to change you.”
“Do not condemn my idiosyncratic interests and I will not condemn yours.”

This goes beyond merely suggesting that two people respect each other's privacy but rather suggests that the two people should not actively interfere with or hinder each other's pursuit of their individual lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly subjective and culturally constructed. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly subjective and culturally constructed. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

OP here, who finds it difficult, if not impossible, to not see the world through the eyes of religion - I mean, isn't that the point of following a religion and being religious? I find it ironic that I find myself agreeing with the atheist poster above on this thread.

That being said...when it comes to politics and the separation of church and state in public schools, it would be best if it was viewed through the eyes of an atheist actually. Take all religious and ideological beliefs out of the equation. But that's probably a pipe dream.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly [i]subjective and culturally constructed[b]. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

Just like gender

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly subjective and culturally constructed. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

OP here, who finds it difficult, if not impossible, to not see the world through the eyes of religion - I mean, isn't that the point of following a religion and being religious? I find it ironic that I find myself agreeing with the atheist poster above on this thread.

That being said...when it comes to politics and the separation of church and state in public schools, it would be best if it was viewed through the eyes of an atheist actually. Take all religious and ideological beliefs out of the equation. But that's probably a pipe dream.

The atheist is a known anti-trans bigot.

A person’s sense of self isn’t supernatural.

Respecting other people’s sense of self isn’t an “ideology”.

Nothing related to transgenderism is religious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Well - that's my personal belief and opinion. So we will just have to agree to disagree. If you can't agree to disagree that's a you problem.

DP: Courts have not gone so far as to agree that anything you say is a religion is a religion. Infamously, the cat religion lady lost her request for a religious accommodation to eat cat food in the office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Well then we agree. So tell me, if during a conversation with someone who is non-binary...I say oh, you're transgender, that's great. I actually believe in cis-genderism, but you do you. I respect it. Would you consider that hurtful?

Because I have another anology for you....if during a conversation with someone who is atheist...I say oh, you're atheist, that's great. I actually believe in God, but you do you. I respect it. Would you consider that hurtful?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Of course it is. There is zero empirical evidence that gender identity exists in material reality. Charitable analogies compare the concept of “gender identity” to a feeling or soul, while less charitable analogies compare it to body dysmorphia or worse. Either way, it is unobservable, unverifiable, and only specific to an individual’s emotions.

Yes, there is evidence that gender is a social construct, not an immutable trait.

We can observe:
“Gender socialization begins at birth and occurs through major agents of socialization like family, education, peer groups, and mass media. Some examples of gender socialization include:
Learning cultural norms for what is considered masculine and feminine
Being given traditional male or female names
Nurseries decorated either in pink or blue”

We can also see how gender is fluid, dynamic, and changes according to historical and geographical context.

Yes, precisely. Gender is a made up social construct based on sex stereotypes, as you describe. Gender identity is an unobservable personal emotion or feeling that some people have about the social construct of gender.

Unfortunately, many people confuse and conflate gender (cultural attitudes about sex stereotypes), gender identity (a persons feelings or supernatural belief about gender) and sex (biology).

I have an unobservable personal feeling that the Eagles are the best football team. Does that make football fanaticism a “religion”. No, of course not.

Nothing supernatural about having feelings.

Troll.

No, a feeling of affinity to the Eagles is simply a personal preference.

A gender identity is the belief of an innate feeling outside of the physical body that identifies mismatch between the soul and physical sexed body. Of course there are other explanations or interpretations of this mismatch but they much less charitable than a gender soul, notably: mental illness, body dysmorphia, or worse which is impermissible to say here.

This might be difficult for people who can only see the world through the lens of religion, but we are all made up of many different individual attributes - none involving a “soul”. I see myself as funny, driven, organized, etc - everyone might not agree with those, but, to me, that is how I perceive myself. There are no magical supernatural forces at play.

There is nothing remotely religious about transgenderism.

Stop pushing this BS narrative just to stir the pot.

Well no, being funny or organized are personality traits and as such are dependent and highly variable on culture. Being “funny” is highly [i]subjective and culturally constructed[b]. It is not a fact or element of the natural world.

I think you may be confusing me with another commenter with your allegations that I “only see the world through the eyes of religion”. I am an atheist.

Just like gender

Precisely. Like I said, Gender is cultural attitudes and sex stereotypes. Any female can decide that she prefers to wear flannel, lift weights, and go hunting. This not the same thing as sex. Any female cannot decide that she has XY chromosomes and male genitals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not believing in one portion of your religion does not create a whole new religion. GMAFB.

The only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is to get your religion out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what happens with other people’s genitals.

I agree with you - the separation of Church and State is sacred and lines have been blurred (neither religion nor ideological beliefs belong in public schools)....but to my point...the only way we could possibly “agree to disagree” is for you to also accept that some people have the religious right to believe in and teach their children on cis-genderism...to get your ideological beliefs out of other people’s lives. Stop trying to control what other people believe when it comes to gender identity.

People having a sense of self isn’t “ideological beliefs”.

You can believe whatever you want at home. If you start taking steps to hurt others because of your “beliefs”, that’s an issue.

Agree to disagree. Because IMHO "sense of self" is a belief.

Your sense of self refers to your perception of the collection of characteristics that define you. Personality traits, abilities, likes and dislikes, your belief system or moral code, and the things that motivate you — these all contribute to self-image or your unique identity as a person.
Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/sense-of-self

But here's the thing, either way I respect all beliefs. Get it?

That is the irony here. To some people, it’s not enough to respect others beliefs. You must believe in them as well.