What happens when religion and ideology conflict?

[Anonymous]

OP here....the reason for this post is because I believe that separation of church and state has been lost...lost in politics, lost is public schools.

Separation of Church and State has always been IMHO something sacred that has been lost in our society.

So....prayer no longer allowed in public schools.....ok fine. But no Pledge of Allegience? Not fine....all students should recite the pledge (just remove god....which actually wasn't in the original).

Posting 10 Commandments in public schools? Not ok.

Representing any religious beliefs and ideologies in public schools should be prohibited. Stick to the hard line of Separation of Church and State. That's all I am getting at. But if you start allowing certain religious beliefs and ideologies and not others....that's where conflict happens.

So for those who adamantly believe gender ideology should be taught in public schools how can you then object to the posting of the 10 Commandments...how can you oppose a coach praying before a game?

An honest discussion. Not inflammatory and not anti anything.

Because hey...you want to teach gender ideology in public schools? Fine with me. I actually don't have a huge problem with it. But then you should also allow prayer, 10 Commandments, Jewish teachings, Islam teachings, etc. That's all I am getting at.

[Anonymous]

100% obtuse and inflammatory.

Social constructs are not religions. GFY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...this is what I was looking for:

For purposes of U.S. employment law and religious discrimination, the answer is yes:

"The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs."

https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

AND

And from the Supreme Court on religion under the Universal Military Training and Service Act re: conscientious objectors:

"The test of religious belief within the meaning of the exemption in § 6(j) is whether it is a sincere and meaningful belief occupying in the life of its possessor a place parallel to that filled by the God of those admittedly qualified for the exemption. Pp. 380 U. S. 173-180. United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965).

So if the answer is yes...and ideology is akin to religion...can we not all agree on points 1 and 2 below?

1. We need Separation of Church and State (religious beliefs should not be taught in public schools).
2. These religious beliefs should be inclusive of traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.

Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that [i]religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.[/i]

And based on points 1 and 2...can we not all agree on points 3 and 4 below?

3. Posting the 10 Commandments in public schools is a breach of the Separation of Church and State.
...but also, at the same time....
4. Teaching gender ideology (which, according to above, is akin to a religious belief) in public schools is also breach of the Separation of Church and State.

It's a valid question because while I am a Christian, I have always been a firm believer in the separation of Church and State.
I do not believe we should be posting the 10 Commandments in public schools.
At the same time, no other religions or beliefs (i.e., gender ideology) should be taught in public schools either.

Because, if we are going to allow one we must then allow the other....which is why the lines between church and state have blurred.

Neither should be allowed - solving everyone's problem.

Great question. I’m an atheist and could not agree with you more.

Good luck having any real discussion, posts which point out that gender ideology is essentially a religion are always deleted.

I know...which is why I used general "ideology" to start. But this is simply an honest debate. Deleting this thread just proves that there is no longer freedom of speech. This is not an inflammatory nor discriminatory post in any way. It's an honest question of "why" shouldn't gender ideology be afforded the same rights and freedoms as a religious belief? Because I've read conflicting articles where I can see valid arguments where is should be. That's all.

It’s 100% inflammatory. If it’s deleted it’s freedom from bigots pushing anti-LGBTQ hate.

Fvk off.

You are the only one being rude and inflammatory. Please prove to me that gender ideology is not a "belief".

All I am saying is that gender ideology should have the same rights.....meaning should be respected and accepted. How is that anti anything? It is just coming at it from a different viewpoint. Geez.

The premise of the thread is inflammatory which is why you worded it in a particular way and ignored all posts that refute your ridiculous claim.

Gender is a social construct. Like class or nations.

Are all of those beliefs different “religions”? No. The premise is absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...this is what I was looking for:

For purposes of U.S. employment law and religious discrimination, the answer is yes:

"The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs."

https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

AND

And from the Supreme Court on religion under the Universal Military Training and Service Act re: conscientious objectors:

"The test of religious belief within the meaning of the exemption in § 6(j) is whether it is a sincere and meaningful belief occupying in the life of its possessor a place parallel to that filled by the God of those admittedly qualified for the exemption. Pp. 380 U. S. 173-180. United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965).

So if the answer is yes...and ideology is akin to religion...can we not all agree on points 1 and 2 below?

1. We need Separation of Church and State (religious beliefs should not be taught in public schools).
2. These religious beliefs should be inclusive of traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.

Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that [i]religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.[/i]

And based on points 1 and 2...can we not all agree on points 3 and 4 below?

3. Posting the 10 Commandments in public schools is a breach of the Separation of Church and State.
...but also, at the same time....
4. Teaching gender ideology (which, according to above, is akin to a religious belief) in public schools is also breach of the Separation of Church and State.

It's a valid question because while I am a Christian, I have always been a firm believer in the separation of Church and State.
I do not believe we should be posting the 10 Commandments in public schools.
At the same time, no other religions or beliefs (i.e., gender ideology) should be taught in public schools either.

Because, if we are going to allow one we must then allow the other....which is why the lines between church and state have blurred.

Neither should be allowed - solving everyone's problem.

Great question. I’m an atheist and could not agree with you more.

Good luck having any real discussion, posts which point out that gender ideology is essentially a religion are always deleted.

I know...which is why I used general "ideology" to start. But this is simply an honest debate. Deleting this thread just proves that there is no longer freedom of speech. This is not an inflammatory nor discriminatory post in any way. It's an honest question of "why" shouldn't gender ideology be afforded the same rights and freedoms as a religious belief? Because I've read conflicting articles where I can see valid arguments where is should be. That's all.

It’s 100% inflammatory. If it’s deleted it’s freedom from bigots pushing anti-LGBTQ hate.

Fvk off.

You are the only one being rude and inflammatory. Please prove to me that gender ideology is not a "belief".

All I am saying is that gender ideology should have the same rights.....meaning should be respected and accepted. How is that anti anything? It is just coming at it from a different viewpoint. Geez.

The premise of the thread is inflammatory which is why you worded it in a particular way and ignored all posts that refute your ridiculous claim.

Gender is a social construct. Like class or nations.

Are all of those beliefs different “religions”? No. The premise is absurd.

You say the premise is absurd but what about this premise?

Gender identity ideology has already been made into an official religion. The Terasem Movement Foundation(TMF), which has its headquarters in Vermont, is part of the transhumanist movement. Terasem was founded by Martine and Bina Rothblatt and includes the so called Terasem Movement Transreligion and the belief that nanotechnology and cyber consciousness have the potential to relieve human suffering and extend human life. Suffering and death are key concerns across all religions. One of the four key beliefs of Terasem faith is that god is technological.

Source: https://colettecolfer.substack.com/p/gender-ideology-as-a-religion

What are your thoughts about this? An honest discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...this is what I was looking for:

For purposes of U.S. employment law and religious discrimination, the answer is yes:

"The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs."

https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

AND

And from the Supreme Court on religion under the Universal Military Training and Service Act re: conscientious objectors:

"The test of religious belief within the meaning of the exemption in § 6(j) is whether it is a sincere and meaningful belief occupying in the life of its possessor a place parallel to that filled by the God of those admittedly qualified for the exemption. Pp. 380 U. S. 173-180. United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965).

So if the answer is yes...and ideology is akin to religion...can we not all agree on points 1 and 2 below?

1. We need Separation of Church and State (religious beliefs should not be taught in public schools).
2. These religious beliefs should be inclusive of traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.

Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that [i]religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.[/i]

And based on points 1 and 2...can we not all agree on points 3 and 4 below?

3. Posting the 10 Commandments in public schools is a breach of the Separation of Church and State.
...but also, at the same time....
4. Teaching gender ideology (which, according to above, is akin to a religious belief) in public schools is also breach of the Separation of Church and State.

It's a valid question because while I am a Christian, I have always been a firm believer in the separation of Church and State.
I do not believe we should be posting the 10 Commandments in public schools.
At the same time, no other religions or beliefs (i.e., gender ideology) should be taught in public schools either.

Because, if we are going to allow one we must then allow the other....which is why the lines between church and state have blurred.

Neither should be allowed - solving everyone's problem.

Great question. I’m an atheist and could not agree with you more.

Good luck having any real discussion, posts which point out that gender ideology is essentially a religion are always deleted.

I know...which is why I used general "ideology" to start. But this is simply an honest debate. Deleting this thread just proves that there is no longer freedom of speech. This is not an inflammatory nor discriminatory post in any way. It's an honest question of "why" shouldn't gender ideology be afforded the same rights and freedoms as a religious belief? Because I've read conflicting articles where I can see valid arguments where is should be. That's all.

It’s 100% inflammatory. If it’s deleted it’s freedom from bigots pushing anti-LGBTQ hate.

Fvk off.

You are the only one being rude and inflammatory. Please prove to me that gender ideology is not a "belief".

All I am saying is that gender ideology should have the same rights.....meaning should be respected and accepted. How is that anti anything? It is just coming at it from a different viewpoint. Geez.

The premise of the thread is inflammatory which is why you worded it in a particular way and ignored all posts that refute your ridiculous claim.

Gender is a social construct. Like class or nations.

Are all of those beliefs different “religions”? No. The premise is absurd.

You say the premise is absurd but what about this premise?

Gender identity ideology has already been made into an official religion. The Terasem Movement Foundation(TMF), which has its headquarters in Vermont, is part of the transhumanist movement. Terasem was founded by Martine and Bina Rothblatt and includes the so called Terasem Movement Transreligion and the belief that nanotechnology and cyber consciousness have the potential to relieve human suffering and extend human life. Suffering and death are key concerns across all religions. One of the four key beliefs of Terasem faith is that god is technological.

Source: https://colettecolfer.substack.com/p/gender-ideology-as-a-religion

What are your thoughts about this? An honest discussion.

Just because Pastafarianism exists doesn’t mean that eating pasta is a religion.

Stop trolling, bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Well - that's my personal belief and opinion. So we will just have to agree to disagree. If you can't agree to disagree that's a you problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gender is not a belief system or ideology, it's biology + psychology + sociology. It doesn't have "a place parallel to that filled by the God."

+1

Is science a religion?

The poor education in this country is a travesty.

Science is quite literally based on empirical evidence, things that are observable or determine cause and effect. Religion is the opposite by definition, and involves the metaphysical or supernatural.

Biology is science, not religion. Gender is based on gender identity which is a metaphysical concept that some people have unobservable feelings where they want to have different body characteristics.

Hope that helps.

There are no metaphysical or supernatural forces.

It’s not a religion no matter how much times you try to push this absurd concept.

Well - that's my personal belief and opinion. So we will just have to agree to disagree. If you can't agree to disagree that's a you problem.

It's also the belief and opinion of many others including board certified doctors and world-renowned scientists. I am not alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...this is what I was looking for:

For purposes of U.S. employment law and religious discrimination, the answer is yes:

"The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs."

https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

AND

And from the Supreme Court on religion under the Universal Military Training and Service Act re: conscientious objectors:

"The test of religious belief within the meaning of the exemption in § 6(j) is whether it is a sincere and meaningful belief occupying in the life of its possessor a place parallel to that filled by the God of those admittedly qualified for the exemption. Pp. 380 U. S. 173-180. United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965).

So if the answer is yes...and ideology is akin to religion...can we not all agree on points 1 and 2 below?

1. We need Separation of Church and State (religious beliefs should not be taught in public schools).
2. These religious beliefs should be inclusive of traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.

Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that [i]religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.[/i]

And based on points 1 and 2...can we not all agree on points 3 and 4 below?

3. Posting the 10 Commandments in public schools is a breach of the Separation of Church and State.
...but also, at the same time....
4. Teaching gender ideology (which, according to above, is akin to a religious belief) in public schools is also breach of the Separation of Church and State.

It's a valid question because while I am a Christian, I have always been a firm believer in the separation of Church and State.
I do not believe we should be posting the 10 Commandments in public schools.
At the same time, no other religions or beliefs (i.e., gender ideology) should be taught in public schools either.

Because, if we are going to allow one we must then allow the other....which is why the lines between church and state have blurred.

Neither should be allowed - solving everyone's problem.

Great question. I’m an atheist and could not agree with you more.

Good luck having any real discussion, posts which point out that gender ideology is essentially a religion are always deleted.

I know...which is why I used general "ideology" to start. But this is simply an honest debate. Deleting this thread just proves that there is no longer freedom of speech. This is not an inflammatory nor discriminatory post in any way. It's an honest question of "why" shouldn't gender ideology be afforded the same rights and freedoms as a religious belief? Because I've read conflicting articles where I can see valid arguments where is should be. That's all.

It’s 100% inflammatory. If it’s deleted it’s freedom from bigots pushing anti-LGBTQ hate.

Fvk off.

You are the only one being rude and inflammatory. Please prove to me that gender ideology is not a "belief".

All I am saying is that gender ideology should have the same rights.....meaning should be respected and accepted. How is that anti anything? It is just coming at it from a different viewpoint. Geez.

The premise of the thread is inflammatory which is why you worded it in a particular way and ignored all posts that refute your ridiculous claim.

Gender is a social construct. Like class or nations.

Are all of those beliefs different “religions”? No. The premise is absurd.

You say the premise is absurd but what about this premise?

Gender identity ideology has already been made into an official religion. The Terasem Movement Foundation(TMF), which has its headquarters in Vermont, is part of the transhumanist movement. Terasem was founded by Martine and Bina Rothblatt and includes the so called Terasem Movement Transreligion and the belief that nanotechnology and cyber consciousness have the potential to relieve human suffering and extend human life. Suffering and death are key concerns across all religions. One of the four key beliefs of Terasem faith is that god is technological.

Source: https://colettecolfer.substack.com/p/gender-ideology-as-a-religion

What are your thoughts about this? An honest discussion.

Just because Pastafarianism exists doesn’t mean that eating pasta is a religion.

Stop trolling, bigot.

It becomes a religion if you think everyone else should also practice Pastafarianism and you force the belief of Pastafarianism on others. Thank you for proving my point.

[Anonymous]

Yes. When I meet fanatics I think religious like relationships to their beliefs

[Anonymous]

And, lest you claim my honest discussion to be anti anything - please read this entire article:

[url]https://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2024/08/07/the_classroom_is_the_battleground_for_religious_freedom_1050054.html

Because the whole debate of whether gender ideology should or shouldn't be a religious belief....would actually provide parents of trans children more rights.

...federal government recommends that gender identity be taught as part of sex education programs. Labeling the belief in gender identity as a religious belief would prevent it from being taught in public school classrooms as objective truth.

By the same token, adherents to gender identity currently do not qualify for certain religious protections they otherwise may have been afforded, especially when it comes to the delicate matter of who has sovereignty over childrens’ bodies. Controversial religious practices involving children, such as the form of circumcision practiced by some ultra-Orthodox Jews where a religious authority sucks a newborn’s penis to draw blood out of it, are made possible via parental and religious liberties. If gender identity is legally considered a religion, then it could be possible for parents to request hormonal and surgical procedures for their children under the protection of religious freedom laws.

One could argue that it would be beneficial for gender ideology to be a religious belief. It's an honest discussion of the pros and cons of whether gender ideology should or should not be a religious belief. It has nothing to do with being anti-anything.

One could argue that I forced my minor children to partake in the sacrament of holy communion where, based on my religion, they were forced to drink and eat the body of Christ. But because it is my religious belief it's ok. I would not have the right to actually force my children to drink blood and eat human flesh - that would be child abuse and against the law.

An honest discussion people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And, lest you claim my honest discussion to be anti anything - please read this entire article:

[url]https://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2024/08/07/the_classroom_is_the_battleground_for_religious_freedom_1050054.html

Because the whole debate of whether gender ideology should or shouldn't be a religious belief....would actually provide parents of trans children more rights.

...federal government recommends that gender identity be taught as part of sex education programs. Labeling the belief in gender identity as a religious belief would prevent it from being taught in public school classrooms as objective truth.

By the same token, adherents to gender identity currently do not qualify for certain religious protections they otherwise may have been afforded, especially when it comes to the delicate matter of who has sovereignty over childrens’ bodies. Controversial religious practices involving children, such as the form of circumcision practiced by some ultra-Orthodox Jews where a religious authority sucks a newborn’s penis to draw blood out of it, are made possible via parental and religious liberties. If gender identity is legally considered a religion, then it could be possible for parents to request hormonal and surgical procedures for their children under the protection of religious freedom laws.

One could argue that it would be beneficial for gender ideology to be a religious belief. It's an honest discussion of the pros and cons of whether gender ideology should or should not be a religious belief. It has nothing to do with being anti-anything.

One could argue that I forced my minor children to partake in the sacrament of holy communion where, based on my religion, they were forced to drink and eat the body of Christ. But because it is my religious belief it's ok. I would not have the right to actually force my children to drink blood and eat human flesh - that would be child abuse and against the law.

An honest discussion people.

Correct hyperlink to an article about the pros and cons of asserting gender ideology as a religious belief.
https://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2024/08/07/the_classroom_is_the_battleground_for_religious_freedom_1050054.html

[Anonymous]

A great point in the article:

Our culture wars will inevitably require a lively debate on the meaning and purpose of religion. Having to give a definition of a term can often spark lively debate on what the term means to us.

If one side is not willing to debate the issue...that's no different than Trump refusing to debate (although now apparently he has).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...this is what I was looking for:

For purposes of U.S. employment law and religious discrimination, the answer is yes:

"The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs."

https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

AND

And from the Supreme Court on religion under the Universal Military Training and Service Act re: conscientious objectors:

"The test of religious belief within the meaning of the exemption in § 6(j) is whether it is a sincere and meaningful belief occupying in the life of its possessor a place parallel to that filled by the God of those admittedly qualified for the exemption. Pp. 380 U. S. 173-180. United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965).

So if the answer is yes...and ideology is akin to religion...can we not all agree on points 1 and 2 below?

1. We need Separation of Church and State (religious beliefs should not be taught in public schools).
2. These religious beliefs should be inclusive of traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.

Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that [i]religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.[/i]

And based on points 1 and 2...can we not all agree on points 3 and 4 below?

3. Posting the 10 Commandments in public schools is a breach of the Separation of Church and State.
...but also, at the same time....
4. Teaching gender ideology (which, according to above, is akin to a religious belief) in public schools is also breach of the Separation of Church and State.

It's a valid question because while I am a Christian, I have always been a firm believer in the separation of Church and State.
I do not believe we should be posting the 10 Commandments in public schools.
At the same time, no other religions or beliefs (i.e., gender ideology) should be taught in public schools either.

Because, if we are going to allow one we must then allow the other....which is why the lines between church and state have blurred.

Neither should be allowed - solving everyone's problem.

Great question. I’m an atheist and could not agree with you more.

Good luck having any real discussion, posts which point out that gender ideology is essentially a religion are always deleted.

I know...which is why I used general "ideology" to start. But this is simply an honest debate. Deleting this thread just proves that there is no longer freedom of speech. This is not an inflammatory nor discriminatory post in any way. It's an honest question of "why" shouldn't gender ideology be afforded the same rights and freedoms as a religious belief? Because I've read conflicting articles where I can see valid arguments where is should be. That's all.

It’s 100% inflammatory. If it’s deleted it’s freedom from bigots pushing anti-LGBTQ hate.

Fvk off.

You are the only one being rude and inflammatory. Please prove to me that gender ideology is not a "belief".

All I am saying is that gender ideology should have the same rights.....meaning should be respected and accepted. How is that anti anything? It is just coming at it from a different viewpoint. Geez.

The premise of the thread is inflammatory which is why you worded it in a particular way and ignored all posts that refute your ridiculous claim.

Gender is a social construct. Like class or nations.

Are all of those beliefs different “religions”? No. The premise is absurd.

You say the premise is absurd but what about this premise?

Gender identity ideology has already been made into an official religion. The Terasem Movement Foundation(TMF), which has its headquarters in Vermont, is part of the transhumanist movement. Terasem was founded by Martine and Bina Rothblatt and includes the so called Terasem Movement Transreligion and the belief that nanotechnology and cyber consciousness have the potential to relieve human suffering and extend human life. Suffering and death are key concerns across all religions. One of the four key beliefs of Terasem faith is that god is technological.

Source: https://colettecolfer.substack.com/p/gender-ideology-as-a-religion

What are your thoughts about this? An honest discussion.

Just because Pastafarianism exists doesn’t mean that eating pasta is a religion.

Stop trolling, bigot.

It becomes a religion if you think everyone else should also practice Pastafarianism and you force the belief of Pastafarianism on others. Thank you for proving my point.

Wanting bigots to stop pushing BS “theories” isn’t forcing any beliefs on anyone.

The point was: anyone can create a faux religion about anything. That doesn’t make it (a) real or (b) apply everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A great point in the article:

Our culture wars will inevitably require a lively debate on the meaning and purpose of religion. Having to give a definition of a term can often spark lively debate on what the term means to us.

If one side is not willing to debate the issue...that's no different than Trump refusing to debate (although now apparently he has).

There is no debate to be had because either you’re intentionally ignoring what “religion” means. Not in good faith.