What happens when religion and ideology conflict?

Anonymous
Is ideology akin to religion? Because I believe this is where the true conflict is. Should a specific ideology be considered a type of religion? The term "ideology" in and of itself is basically a "set of ideas, beliefs, and attitudes." So, in theory ideologies and religions can be one and the same right?

Should a specific ideology be considered the same as a religious belief? And therefore, be given the same treatment when it comes to separation of church and state?
Anonymous
Only if it includes supernatural forces.
Anonymous
Can you give an example? I'm not 100% clear on what you mean, especially in relation to separation of church and state?
Anonymous
The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.
Anonymous
OP, I sort of get what you're trying to say. But political positions and religion are different in numerous ways, especially in whether faith is involved. Yeah, I know, political theories like "trickle down theory" can appear to approach faith, but economists can actually prove whether they're true based on theory or historical evidence after they've been implemented for a few years (spoiler alert: trickle down theory is bs).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Take your pedantry to every dictionary publisher lady. God you one upping hall monitors are the worst.

Does Buddhism have characteristics of both a religious and a philosophical system? Yes.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Take your pedantry to every dictionary publisher lady. God you one upping hall monitors are the worst.

Does Buddhism have characteristics of both a religious and a philosophical system? Yes.

I am UU and we do not have a metaphysical or supernatural power.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Take your pedantry to every dictionary publisher lady. God you one upping hall monitors are the worst.

Does Buddhism have characteristics of both a religious and a philosophical system? Yes.

I am UU and we do not have a metaphysical or supernatural power.


You may not but many UU do, with the support of that belief of a deity as part of the UU philosophy. UU is a belief system which essentially allows its adherents to appropriate any and all other religions under the pretension of universal humanism. So like Buddhism it is a mix between religion and philosophical system.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Take your pedantry to every dictionary publisher lady. God you one upping hall monitors are the worst.

Does Buddhism have characteristics of both a religious and a philosophical system? Yes.

I am UU and we do not have a metaphysical or supernatural power.


You may not but many UU do, with the support of that belief of a deity as part of the UU philosophy. UU is a belief system which essentially allows its adherents to appropriate any and all other religions under the pretension of universal humanism. So like Buddhism it is a mix between religion and philosophical system.
It is not part of our core statement of faith. It is not a mix - it is philosophical yes- but not metaphysical nor does it espouse a supernatural power. Some Catholics believe in fairies but that doesn’t mean fairies are part of the Catholic Church's belief system. Just because some UUs believe in a supernatural force does not mean it is part of the UU statement of faith.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Don't they all involve faith, though? Faith that acting a certain way will bring rewards of some sort.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Take your pedantry to every dictionary publisher lady. God you one upping hall monitors are the worst.

Does Buddhism have characteristics of both a religious and a philosophical system? Yes.

I am UU and we do not have a metaphysical or supernatural power.


What do you think happens after you die?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is ideology akin to religion? Because I believe this is where the true conflict is. Should a specific ideology be considered a type of religion? The term "ideology" in and of itself is basically a "set of ideas, beliefs, and attitudes." So, in theory ideologies and religions can be one and the same right?

Should a specific ideology be considered the same as a religious belief? And therefore, be given the same treatment when it comes to separation of church and state?


Absolutely. A firmly held set of beliefs that cannot be scientifically proven based on which one sets their moral framework of what is good versus evil, that's a religion.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The difference is that religion specifically involves the metaphysical or a supernatural power.

Obviously there is overlap and some ideologies are really religious in nature.
not all religions involve a metaphysical or a supernatural power.


Take your pedantry to every dictionary publisher lady. God you one upping hall monitors are the worst.

Does Buddhism have characteristics of both a religious and a philosophical system? Yes.

I am UU and we do not have a metaphysical or supernatural power.


You may not but many UU do, with the support of that belief of a deity as part of the UU philosophy. UU is a belief system which essentially allows its adherents to appropriate any and all other religions under the pretension of universal humanism. So like Buddhism it is a mix between religion and philosophical system.
It is not part of our core statement of faith. It is not a mix - it is philosophical yes- but not metaphysical nor does it espouse a supernatural power. Some Catholics believe in fairies but that doesn’t mean fairies are part of the Catholic Church's belief system. Just because some UUs believe in a supernatural force does not mean it is part of the UU statement of faith.


That is not universally true. UU permits adding to the 7 commandments or tenets or creeds or whatever you call them and some have done so by adding an 8th that talks about god. Furthermore, UU encourages it’s participants to adhere, borrow, share, practice, and steal from all other world religions in the quest for truth so metaphysical beliefs are clearly part of the belief system even if you personally don’t believe.
Anonymous
For purposes of U.S. employment law and religious discrimination, the answer is yes:

"The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs."

https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination
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