12/13 year old girls arrested for stomping man to death in DC last fall

[Anonymous]

Still probably would have been recruited into gangs at young ages. Typical of people they know and don't be too Pollyanna re: group homes or DYRS.

Maybe if sent to a boarding school far from DC. Even then a lot of kids who return to visit seem to end up in crime or meet an early death.

Right now child bearing is financially incentivized. Perhaps we should flip it to rewarding delay and fewer kids?

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

I agree. And now there is precedence so hopefully the parents can also be charged. this nation needs a few cases to scare the pants off negligent parents to start putting in serious effort to parent their kids.

Yes indeed. Yet, I highly doubt that DC will lead the charge in this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still probably would have been recruited into gangs at young ages. Typical of people they know and don't be too Pollyanna re: group homes or DYRS.

Maybe if sent to a boarding school far from DC. Even then a lot of kids who return to visit seem to end up in crime or meet an early death.

Right now child bearing is financially incentivized. Perhaps we should flip it to rewarding delay and fewer kids?

It’s incentivized for the wrong people. Poor, uneducated, lazy, pieces of $hit keep reproducing and making kids that will grow up to be losers just like their sperm and egg donors.

There should be incentive for people who are not using any kind of government assistance, making above the median income, and in two parent households to have kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents need to prosecuted at this point, and these girls need to be in a secure mental institution getting help until they are at least 30.

Under DC Code can only be held until 21, unfortunately. Same age girls killed the Uber Eats driver. One got held until 21, other got home confinement. Killing with bare hands and feet used to be a crime not committed by girls. Utterly horrifying.

Neighborhood knows who the man in the blue jacket is, likely are afraid of him.

Has their gang been named? Not enforcing truancy laws leaves kids at the mercy of very dangerous and violent people. Was this an initiation kill? Or just a thrill kill?

Heartbreaking for the poor elderly disabled man and his loved ones.

Enforcing truancy laws without the proper supports for dangerous and violent children and teens leaves kids (and school staff) at the mercy of very dangerous and violent children and teens. Are typical public schools equipped to support children who are this violent?

Not all truant students are violent like this, of course. I pray this is a very unusual situation. Still, there needs to be as much attention to keeping other children and the community safe as there is to supporting kids who threaten safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

The parents should absolutely be charged!

Investigate them for abuse and neglect, sure, but there's no way to force a kid that age to go to school. You could physically pick them up and bring them if they are small enough and there's a parent who is big enough, I guess, but if a kid doesn't want to go to school and CFSA isn't moving them to a group home or something, the parents are stuck. Not saying there are good parents here--I have no idea--but throughout DC there are kids who won't go to school even though their parents would desperately like them to do so, and there are no services for those families.

Why should children be forced to go to school? The government should provide the essential services that these children need, but they need to be able to make their own choices in life. If you don't want to be trained to be a factory worker, that is your right.

Indeed, kids that aren’t in school have such good outcomes…. Such as carjacking and murder. Kids need to go to school so the government can help them when they have absolutely sh*t parents like these girls. If they had been taken away from their negligent parents, this may have never happened.

Teachers are not parents. If young adults don't need school, the government should help support them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

The parents should absolutely be charged!

Investigate them for abuse and neglect, sure, but there's no way to force a kid that age to go to school. You could physically pick them up and bring them if they are small enough and there's a parent who is big enough, I guess, but if a kid doesn't want to go to school and CFSA isn't moving them to a group home or something, the parents are stuck. Not saying there are good parents here--I have no idea--but throughout DC there are kids who won't go to school even though their parents would desperately like them to do so, and there are no services for those families.

Why should children be forced to go to school? The government should provide the essential services that these children need, but they need to be able to make their own choices in life. If you don't want to be trained to be a factory worker, that is your right.

Indeed, kids that aren’t in school have such good outcomes…. Such as carjacking and murder. Kids need to go to school so the government can help them when they have absolutely sh*t parents like these girls. If they had been taken away from their negligent parents, this may have never happened.

Teachers are not parents. If young adults don't need school, the government should help support them.

Ridiculous to suggest they don't need school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still probably would have been recruited into gangs at young ages. Typical of people they know and don't be too Pollyanna re: group homes or DYRS.

Maybe if sent to a boarding school far from DC. Even then a lot of kids who return to visit seem to end up in crime or meet an early death.

Right now child bearing is financially incentivized. Perhaps we should flip it to rewarding delay and fewer kids?

It’s incentivized for the wrong people. Poor, uneducated, lazy, pieces of $hit keep reproducing and making kids that will grow up to be losers just like their sperm and egg donors.

There should be incentive for people who are not using any kind of government assistance, making above the median income, and in two parent households to have kids.

While I 100% agree with you, I would love to hear the uproar over prioritizing people like me. Can I get some assistance for a change? I've never attended a public school, neither have my kids, I don't utilize public rec centers, libraries, pools, etc. I couldn't be a better citizen, financially speaking, but yet I am the problem and the crackheads having kids get the funding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

The parents should absolutely be charged!

Investigate them for abuse and neglect, sure, but there's no way to force a kid that age to go to school. You could physically pick them up and bring them if they are small enough and there's a parent who is big enough, I guess, but if a kid doesn't want to go to school and CFSA isn't moving them to a group home or something, the parents are stuck. Not saying there are good parents here--I have no idea--but throughout DC there are kids who won't go to school even though their parents would desperately like them to do so, and there are no services for those families.

Why should children be forced to go to school? The government should provide the essential services that these children need, but they need to be able to make their own choices in life. If you don't want to be trained to be a factory worker, that is your right.

Indeed, kids that aren’t in school have such good outcomes…. Such as carjacking and murder. Kids need to go to school so the government can help them when they have absolutely sh*t parents like these girls. If they had been taken away from their negligent parents, this may have never happened.

Teachers are not parents. If young adults don't need school, the government should help support them.

Ridiculous to suggest they don't need school.

Public school isn't going to teach them the skills they need to become CEOs. It's not clear that school serves any useful purpose. If you want to learn to read and write, that should be up to the individual. If a business needs employees with particular skills, it should be the burden of the business to train the those employees. Why is it the govenrment's job to produce workers for private businesses?

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

The parents should absolutely be charged!

Investigate them for abuse and neglect, sure, but there's no way to force a kid that age to go to school. You could physically pick them up and bring them if they are small enough and there's a parent who is big enough, I guess, but if a kid doesn't want to go to school and CFSA isn't moving them to a group home or something, the parents are stuck. Not saying there are good parents here--I have no idea--but throughout DC there are kids who won't go to school even though their parents would desperately like them to do so, and there are no services for those families.

Why should children be forced to go to school? The government should provide the essential services that these children need, but they need to be able to make their own choices in life. If you don't want to be trained to be a factory worker, that is your right.

Indeed, kids that aren’t in school have such good outcomes…. Such as carjacking and murder. Kids need to go to school so the government can help them when they have absolutely sh*t parents like these girls. If they had been taken away from their negligent parents, this may have never happened.

Teachers are not parents. If young adults don't need school, the government should help support them.

Ridiculous to suggest they don't need school.

Public school isn't going to teach them the skills they need to become CEOs. It's not clear that school serves any useful purpose. If you want to learn to read and write, that should be up to the individual. If a business needs employees with particular skills, it should be the burden of the business to train the those employees. Why is it the govenrment's job to produce workers for private businesses?

Fortunately you're not in charge of anything. You don't have any idea what school teaches or what people should know.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

The parents should absolutely be charged!

Investigate them for abuse and neglect, sure, but there's no way to force a kid that age to go to school. You could physically pick them up and bring them if they are small enough and there's a parent who is big enough, I guess, but if a kid doesn't want to go to school and CFSA isn't moving them to a group home or something, the parents are stuck. Not saying there are good parents here--I have no idea--but throughout DC there are kids who won't go to school even though their parents would desperately like them to do so, and there are no services for those families.

Why should children be forced to go to school? The government should provide the essential services that these children need, but they need to be able to make their own choices in life. If you don't want to be trained to be a factory worker, that is your right.

Indeed, kids that aren’t in school have such good outcomes…. Such as carjacking and murder. Kids need to go to school so the government can help them when they have absolutely sh*t parents like these girls. If they had been taken away from their negligent parents, this may have never happened.

Teachers are not parents. If young adults don't need school, the government should help support them.

Ridiculous to suggest they don't need school.

Public school isn't going to teach them the skills they need to become CEOs. It's not clear that school serves any useful purpose. If you want to learn to read and write, that should be up to the individual. If a business needs employees with particular skills, it should be the burden of the business to train the those employees. Why is it the govenrment's job to produce workers for private businesses?

So? What kind of weird expectation is it that everyone should become a CEO? If everyone's a CEO then who does the work? CEO's are grossly overpaid and overrated for the most part, anyhow. And do you think businesses want to teach people from scratch? Many jobs need you to at least be able to read, do basic math and so on. An electrician needs to be able to read and understand electrical codes, permits, installation instructions and so on, and to be able to do enough math to size components, calculate a bill of materials and so on. Illiterate people are useless to many employers. And if you think things are expensive now think of how much more expensive things will get when employers have to spend a big chunk of time educating people before they are even usable as employees? What a really dumb take you have that we should abolish schools and have business teach everyone.

[Anonymous]

Most kids that are neglected still don’t end up murdering people. Unfortunately, there are just some children (and adults) that are prone to being violent people. Some kids are just mean and violent natured people and there he not much that can be done to help them.

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Anonymous wrote:Most kids that are neglected still don’t end up murdering people. Unfortunately, there are just some children (and adults) that are prone to being violent people. Some kids are just mean and violent natured people and there he not much that can be done to help them.

And let's face it, some of these kids are being taught to be violent and criminal. A 12 or 13 year old doesn't just spontaneously wake up and do armed carjackings. It also can't help to be steeped in a culture of glorifying violent crime through drill rap and making things like "street cred" the most important thing someone can have, and that it is only earned through violence. How many instances of "promising young DC rapper killed" have there been where they felt they needed to "up their street cred" to help their rap career by trying to rob a dealer or some other stunt only to end up getting shot in the process. More than a few.

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Anonymous wrote:Most kids that are neglected still don’t end up murdering people. Unfortunately, there are just some children (and adults) that are prone to being violent people. Some kids are just mean and violent natured people and there he not much that can be done to help them.

Some people are born evil. Like these teens.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents should be charged as well. These girls hadn’t been in school for 3 weeks when there were out at midnight and murdered this man.

The parents should absolutely be charged!

Investigate them for abuse and neglect, sure, but there's no way to force a kid that age to go to school. You could physically pick them up and bring them if they are small enough and there's a parent who is big enough, I guess, but if a kid doesn't want to go to school and CFSA isn't moving them to a group home or something, the parents are stuck. Not saying there are good parents here--I have no idea--but throughout DC there are kids who won't go to school even though their parents would desperately like them to do so, and there are no services for those families.

Why should children be forced to go to school? The government should provide the essential services that these children need, but they need to be able to make their own choices in life. If you don't want to be trained to be a factory worker, that is your right.

Indeed, kids that aren’t in school have such good outcomes…. Such as carjacking and murder. Kids need to go to school so the government can help them when they have absolutely sh*t parents like these girls. If they had been taken away from their negligent parents, this may have never happened.

Teachers are not parents. If young adults don't need school, the government should help support them.

Ridiculous to suggest they don't need school.

Public school isn't going to teach them the skills they need to become CEOs. It's not clear that school serves any useful purpose. If you want to learn to read and write, that should be up to the individual. If a business needs employees with particular skills, it should be the burden of the business to train the those employees. Why is it the govenrment's job to produce workers for private businesses?

So? What kind of weird expectation is it that everyone should become a CEO? If everyone's a CEO then who does the work? CEO's are grossly overpaid and overrated for the most part, anyhow. And do you think businesses want to teach people from scratch? Many jobs need you to at least be able to read, do basic math and so on. An electrician needs to be able to read and understand electrical codes, permits, installation instructions and so on, and to be able to do enough math to size components, calculate a bill of materials and so on. Illiterate people are useless to many employers. And if you think things are expensive now think of how much more expensive things will get when employers have to spend a big chunk of time educating people before they are even usable as employees? What a really dumb take you have that we should abolish schools and have business teach everyone.

Why do these people need to have jobs? What makes you think anyone wants to be an electrician? Again, you are arguing for the government to create workers. The governments job is to create and protect citizens. But sure, let's play your game. When was the last time the guy working the McDonald's register diagramed a sentence for you? Did he correctly use the subjunctive tense while taking your order? Students aren't attending school because it isn't interesting and it isn't teaching them anything they need to know. Why do you worry about fixing schools first before trying to force kids to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Still probably would have been recruited into gangs at young ages. Typical of people they know and don't be too Pollyanna re: group homes or DYRS.

Maybe if sent to a boarding school far from DC. Even then a lot of kids who return to visit seem to end up in crime or meet an early death.

Right now child bearing is financially incentivized. Perhaps we should flip it to rewarding delay and fewer kids?

It’s incentivized for the wrong people. Poor, uneducated, lazy, pieces of $hit keep reproducing and making kids that will grow up to be losers just like their sperm and egg donors.

There should be incentive for people who are not using any kind of government assistance, making above the median income, and in two parent households to have kids.

While I 100% agree with you, I would love to hear the uproar over prioritizing people like me. Can I get some assistance for a change? I've never attended a public school, neither have my kids, I don't utilize public rec centers, libraries, pools, etc. I couldn't be a better citizen, financially speaking, but yet I am the problem and the crackheads having kids get the funding.

Why don’t you use these things? Who doesn’t go to the library?