Defund the Police versus Abortion Bans

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Revisionist history at work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/osha-federal-vaccine-mandate-covers-84-million-workerswhat-to-know.html

So you were choosing between getting vaccinated or getting tested regularly?

And now you’re equating this to forcing women to continue a pregnancy and give birth?

Sit TF down.

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Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

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Show your work.

DP.

Virginia Republicans have already pushed three bills banning abortion this year (2023), including one full ban.

If the Ds didn’t hold a slight lead in the VA Senate the Republicans would have already banned it.

[Anonymous]

Let’s clear this up once and for all:

A large scale implementation of defund the police is a MYTH.

A significant percentage of the democratic wing that advocated for in the last 3 years or currently advocates for defunding the police is a FACT.

Large scale failure to prosecute the full spectrum of crime from petty to serious crime is a FACT. These prosecutors are almost all Democrat/progressive.

Demonizing/Demoralizing the police force reducing their incentive to aggressively pursue criminals is a FACT.

A significant jump in violent crimes including homicides and carjackings, mostly occurring in Democrat controlled cities with progressive “soft on crime” prosecutors, is a FACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s clear this up once and for all:

A large scale implementation of defund the police is a MYTH.

A significant percentage of the democratic wing that advocated for in the last 3 years or currently advocates for defunding the police is a FACT.

Large scale failure to prosecute the full spectrum of crime from petty to serious crime is a FACT. These prosecutors are almost all Democrat/progressive.

Demonizing/Demoralizing the police force reducing their incentive to aggressively pursue criminals is a FACT.

A significant jump in violent crimes including homicides and carjackings, mostly occurring in Democrat controlled cities with progressive “soft on crime” prosecutors, is a FACT.

No, it’s not and most of these districts don’t contain “cities.”

And “defund the police” isn’t a literal thing. It just means demilitarize them. Spend more money on community policing.

But this notion of crime-riddled Warrenton or Culpeper or whatever is just a weird fantasy of bad faith Republicans running on fear-based messaging about phantom menaces.

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Virginia is one of the 10 safest states.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america?onepage

Republicans pushing lies again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Revisionist history at work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/osha-federal-vaccine-mandate-covers-84-million-workerswhat-to-know.html

So you were choosing between getting vaccinated or getting tested regularly?

And now you’re equating this to forcing women to continue a pregnancy and give birth?

Sit TF down.

Isn't a benefit to a society with a declining population? Who are you to say what provides the best outcome for society?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Revisionist history at work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/osha-federal-vaccine-mandate-covers-84-million-workerswhat-to-know.html

So you were choosing between getting vaccinated or getting tested regularly?

And now you’re equating this to forcing women to continue a pregnancy and give birth?

Sit TF down.

Isn't a benefit to a society with a declining population? Who are you to say what provides the best outcome for society?

You want to force women to be pregnant against their will…to boost population numbers?

WTAF?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.

I suppose you missed the high school class on persuasive writing. I’ll fill you in: personal attacks never work, and only weaken your position.

Somebody upthread asked for an example of a jurisdiction that had essentially defunded the police in a roundabout way. Enter MoCo, MD.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.

I suppose you missed the high school class on persuasive writing. I’ll fill you in: personal attacks never work, and only weaken your position.

Somebody upthread asked for an example of a jurisdiction that had essentially defunded the police in a roundabout way. Enter MoCo, MD.

“The Council funded a budget of more than $313 million for the Montgomery County Police Department. This is a 5.3 percent increase compared to last year’s budget.”

https://mocoshow.com/blog/montgomery-county-council-votes-to-approve-preliminary-agreement-on-6-7-billion-fiscal-year-2024-operating-budget-countys-property-tax-rate-to-increase-4-7-with-692-tax-credit/

How is this “essentially defunding the police in a roundabout way”?

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.

I suppose you missed the high school class on persuasive writing. I’ll fill you in: personal attacks never work, and only weaken your position.

Somebody upthread asked for an example of a jurisdiction that had essentially defunded the police in a roundabout way. Enter MoCo, MD.

“The Council funded a budget of more than $313 million for the Montgomery County Police Department. This is a 5.3 percent increase compared to last year’s budget.”

https://mocoshow.com/blog/montgomery-county-council-votes-to-approve-preliminary-agreement-on-6-7-billion-fiscal-year-2024-operating-budget-countys-property-tax-rate-to-increase-4-7-with-692-tax-credit/

How is this “essentially defunding the police in a roundabout way”?

You’re welcome to argue with somebody else. I live here. You clearly do not.

The former council made conditions so hostile to police that the department is already down 20% and vacancies are growing. A cadet class (usually 60 or more) is now in the teens, and they don’t all graduate. This was caused by over 20 bills regulating the police as well as council rhetoric referring to them as “thugs” and the reason FOR crime in downtown areas.

Now they are throwing money AT policing and nobody is applying. Current police can’t be compelled to stay and are retiring early.

For your one article about the new budget, I can post 30 about the council’s former actions against police.

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Look, “defunding the police” is a policy issue that one can agree or disagree with. Banning abortion is a women’s rights issue that should be absolute and not subject to debate.

End of story.