Defund the Police versus Abortion Bans

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Anonymous wrote:Look, “defunding the police” is a policy issue that one can agree or disagree with. Banning abortion is a women’s rights issue that should be absolute and not subject to debate.

End of story.

More to the point, literally no one buys the “crime ridden hellhole” scare tactics. Everyone knows the abortion stakes.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.

I suppose you missed the high school class on persuasive writing. I’ll fill you in: personal attacks never work, and only weaken your position.

Somebody upthread asked for an example of a jurisdiction that had essentially defunded the police in a roundabout way. Enter MoCo, MD.

DP. What TF does that have to do with Virginia? One of the top 10 safest states.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return.

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.

I suppose you missed the high school class on persuasive writing. I’ll fill you in: personal attacks never work, and only weaken your position.

Somebody upthread asked for an example of a jurisdiction that had essentially defunded the police in a roundabout way. Enter MoCo, MD.

“The Council funded a budget of more than $313 million for the Montgomery County Police Department. This is a 5.3 percent increase compared to last year’s budget.”

https://mocoshow.com/blog/montgomery-county-council-votes-to-approve-preliminary-agreement-on-6-7-billion-fiscal-year-2024-operating-budget-countys-property-tax-rate-to-increase-4-7-with-692-tax-credit/

How is this “essentially defunding the police in a roundabout way”?

You’re welcome to argue with somebody else. I live here. You clearly do not.

The former council made conditions so hostile to police that the department is already down 20% and vacancies are growing. A cadet class (usually 60 or more) is now in the teens, and they don’t all graduate. This was caused by over 20 bills regulating the police as well as council rhetoric referring to them as “thugs” and the reason FOR crime in downtown areas.

Now they are throwing money AT policing and nobody is applying. Current police can’t be compelled to stay and are retiring early.

For your one article about the new budget, I can post 30 about the council’s former actions against police.

I do live in Montgomery County, and are you admitting that they haven’t defunded the police? Regulating is not defunding.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

No sweetheart. You don’t get to pretend that the tyrannical insanity that you demanded be forced on everyone in the name of vaccine madness is soooooo yesterday now. As if it’s ancient history.

Some of us are still dealing with the life changing consequences- lost careers, etc - of not getting the shots. Others are dealing with the life changing consequences having gotten the shot when they’d preferred not to - miscarriages, vascular reactions … death.

You don’t get to pretend this is all ancient history now and water under the bridge, you psycho.

[Anonymous]

If we ban abortion and have a have an increase in unwanted children next year, I wonder how that wil affect crime rate when all those unwanted children grow to be adults.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

No sweetheart. You don’t get to pretend that the tyrannical insanity that you demanded be forced on everyone in the name of vaccine madness is soooooo yesterday now. As if it’s ancient history.

Some of us are still dealing with the life changing consequences- lost careers, etc - of not getting the shots. Others are dealing with the life changing consequences having gotten the shot when they’d preferred not to - miscarriages, vascular reactions … death.

You don’t get to pretend this is all ancient history now and water under the bridge, you psycho.

Why dafuq are people prattling on about vaccines? Everyone knows they saved us from the pandemic, the vaccines are a miracle of modern science and have improved public health overall. This is just stipulated fact and is neither a campaign issue nor up for debate in any other context.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

No sweetheart. You don’t get to pretend that the tyrannical insanity that you demanded be forced on everyone in the name of vaccine madness is soooooo yesterday now. As if it’s ancient history.

Some of us are still dealing with the life changing consequences- lost careers, etc - of not getting the shots. Others are dealing with the life changing consequences having gotten the shot when they’d preferred not to - miscarriages, vascular reactions … death.

You don’t get to pretend this is all ancient history now and water under the bridge, you psycho.

If you lost your job it wasn’t because of vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we ban abortion and have a have an increase in unwanted children next year, I wonder how that wil affect crime rate when all those unwanted children grow to be adults.

They won’t make it because gun-obsessed republicans intend for them to all be gunned down in school shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

How is it when Republicans say that about Democrats banning guns - “Democrats have said they ARE going to take your guns” - that people here on DCUM, probably Democrats, immediately respond with “no one is going to be taking anyone’s guns, stop being conspiratorial nutters” ?

How’s it work one way, but not work the other way? Explain that for us. Why is it you think only Republicans keep their word, lolz?

I would totally vote for people who would confiscate the guns. That would be an enormously popular idea

And I would ban every single abortion procedure there was, regardless of reason. That would be an enormously popular idea.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Just as there will ALWAYS be a choice for you when it comes to getting an abortion. Maybe one that you don’t like, but you’ll always have a choice. GMAFB.


see how that works, kitten?

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

Anti-abortion, anti-vax nutters want more babies to be born so that gun nuts have a continuous supply of targets in schools.

Cite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The choice is every easy for me.

Same here. Straight ticket, Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

How is it when Republicans say that about Democrats banning guns - “Democrats have said they ARE going to take your guns” - that people here on DCUM, probably Democrats, immediately respond with “no one is going to be taking anyone’s guns, stop being conspiratorial nutters” ?

How’s it work one way, but not work the other way? Explain that for us. Why is it you think only Republicans keep their word, lolz?

I would totally vote for people who would confiscate the guns. That would be an enormously popular idea

And I would ban every single abortion procedure there was, regardless of reason. That would be an enormously popular idea.

Maybe in your delusional alternate reality. Here on Earth, I have polling — and election results— on my side.

We will protect abortion on demand. Deal with it.

[Anonymous]

These are the culture war issues that people care about and politicians pander to. We only have ourselves to blame.

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

No sweetheart. You don’t get to pretend that the tyrannical insanity that you demanded be forced on everyone in the name of vaccine madness is soooooo yesterday now. As if it’s ancient history.

Some of us are still dealing with the life changing consequences- lost careers, etc - of not getting the shots. Others are dealing with the life changing consequences having gotten the shot when they’d preferred not to - miscarriages, vascular reactions … death.

You don’t get to pretend this is all ancient history now and water under the bridge, you psycho.

Yep. Somebody is psycho alright. It just ain’t me.

She is certifiably batshit loony crazy