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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise.  Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

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^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers) [/quote]

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.[/quote]

It is absolutely direct with defund the police.   You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime.   Period.  [/quote]

Show your work.  [/quote]

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

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Thanks for sharing a hypothesis.  Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?[/quote]

It’s not my hypothesis. I wasn’t on the council’s Reimagining Public Safety Task Force. It is their brilliant idea to reduce police in an effort to reduce crime.

Now, I’m smart enough to see how that was a failure of a plan when it was first proposed.

And there’s nothing more to prove. Crime in MoCo is increasing at a steady pace while police staffing is decreasing at a steady pace. You don’t need to defund the police. All you need to do is stop supporting them.[/quote]

Crime in Montgomery County is incredibly low, moron. I mean, why are we talking about Christiansburg, anyway?

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/virginia/montgomery[/quote]

Um, follow the thread. This is Montgomery County, MARYLAND. And I’m too kind to call you “moron” in return. [/quote]

Why are you talking about Maryland in a thread about Virginia politics? You goddamn stupid moron.[/quote]

I suppose you missed the high school class on persuasive writing. I’ll fill you in: personal attacks never work, and only weaken your position.

Somebody upthread asked for an example of a jurisdiction that had essentially defunded the police in a roundabout way. Enter MoCo, MD.[/quote]
[b]“The Council funded a budget of more than $313 million for the Montgomery County Police Department. This is a 5.3 percent increase compared to last year’s budget.” [/b]

https://mocoshow.com/blog/montgomery-county-council-votes-to-approve-preliminary-agreement-on-6-7-billion-fiscal-year-2024-operating-budget-countys-property-tax-rate-to-increase-4-7-with-692-tax-credit/

How is this “essentially defunding the police in a roundabout way”?[/quote]

You’re welcome to argue with somebody else. I live here. You clearly do not.

The former council made conditions so hostile to police that the department is already down 20% and vacancies are growing. A cadet class (usually 60 or more) is now in the teens, and they don’t all graduate.  This was caused by over 20 bills regulating the police as well as council rhetoric referring to them as “thugs” and the reason FOR crime in downtown areas.

Now they are throwing money AT policing and nobody is applying. Current police can’t be compelled to stay and are retiring early.

For your one article about the new budget, I can post 30 about the council’s former actions against police.[/quote]

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