Defund the Police versus Abortion Bans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

Gullible people seem to fall for the “_______ wants a TOTAL ban on abortion” nonsense. So it clearly preys upon the idiocy of both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just need to be very clear that we want to fund the police, we're tough on crime, AND we want freedom for women.

Duh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

- except vaccines. Then, I have to do whatever you say.

[Anonymous]

I’m pro-choice, but crime impacts my daily life greater than abortion restrictions. I can’t say this campaign strategy isn’t the right call.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

Very rarely do four properly arranged words convey so much.

Well stated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m pro-choice, but crime impacts my daily life greater than abortion restrictions. I can’t say this campaign strategy isn’t the right call.

Seriously. People in NOVA can just drive to DC/Maryland if abortion is banned. We’re not talking about a state like Texas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

- except vaccines. Then, I have to do whatever you say.

Yep. Then that whole “my body my choice” crap goes right out the window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

This. People blame DTP for crime, even in jurisdictions where police funding was never cut-- or was even increased!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

[Anonymous]

well maybe you should have thought of this OP back in 2020 when people were getting fired for even daring to suggest law enforcement has a legitimate purpose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

- except vaccines. Then, I have to do whatever you say.

Yep. Then that whole “my body my choice” crap goes right out the window.

At no point was it ILLEGAL for you to not get vaccinated. Dumb comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Absolutely correct.

My votes moving forward will absolutely take into account how politicians treat the police department, more now than ever before.

Crime is a FAR bigger issue to me than abortion.

And no, I’m not MAGA or even a Republican. (I’m independent, but Democrat so I can vote in primaries.) I’m just sick of watching local govt pander to criminals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m pro-choice, but crime impacts my daily life greater than abortion restrictions. I can’t say this campaign strategy isn’t the right call.

Seriously. People in NOVA can just drive to DC/Maryland if abortion is banned. We’re not talking about a state like Texas.

Until Virginia starts to prosecute uber drivers for transporting you for an abortion ….

I am very much in favor of better crime prevention/law enforcement but for many people the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy are actually much MUCH greater than getting mugged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m pro-choice, but crime impacts my daily life greater than abortion restrictions. I can’t say this campaign strategy isn’t the right call.

well, until you are forced to have a baby right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:well maybe you should have thought of this OP back in 2020 when people were getting fired for even daring to suggest law enforcement has a legitimate purpose?

Right. Some ignorant jerk gets fired and blames his inadequacies on misinterpreted political jargon.