Defund the Police versus Abortion Bans

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

Thanks for sharing a hypothesis. Doesn’t actually prove anything though, does it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

OH SNAP!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

DP.

Hi PP. YOU have to show your work first. Complete cites. Attributions. Full bibliography.

Then, maybe we will respond to your ridiculous demand in every thread.

In other words, you can’t. You are the one asserting that there is a direct link between “defund the police“ initiatives, and an increase in violent crime. That is your statement not mine. Show us some proof, other than your words.

Some of us understand how the world actually works, and do not have an idealized version of how it would be nice to work. We do not need proof for obvious connections.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

- except vaccines. Then, I have to do whatever you say.

Yep. Then that whole “my body my choice” crap goes right out the window.

At no point was it ILLEGAL for you to not get vaccinated. Dumb comparison.

At no point will it ever be ILLEGAL to get an abortion somewhere in this country. Dumber comparison.

Did you say RvW would never be overthrown?

Rights shouldn’t vary state by state. It should be LEGAL everywhere. Certainly in my own state.

You (and the religious nutters) don’t get decide what I do with my body.

[Anonymous]

The choice is every easy for me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

How is it when Republicans say that about Democrats banning guns - “Democrats have said they ARE going to take your guns” - that people here on DCUM, probably Democrats, immediately respond with “no one is going to be taking anyone’s guns, stop being conspiratorial nutters” ?

How’s it work one way, but not work the other way? Explain that for us. Why is it you think only Republicans keep their word, lolz?

I would totally vote for people who would confiscate the guns. That would be an enormously popular idea

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

DP.

Hi PP. YOU have to show your work first. Complete cites. Attributions. Full bibliography.

Then, maybe we will respond to your ridiculous demand in every thread.

DP. That was PP’s polite way of saying that you’re full of crap. We all know it. PP was just being nice about it.

No, PP just had nothing substantive to say, and threw that out in desperation.

No. We know you’re full of crap. 💩

Republicans have nothing but lies and oppression. They attract idiots and a-holes. Which are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

No one who rages on and on about vaccines in 2023 has any credibility whatsoever. Do you think the 2020 election was stolen too?

Retreat to your bunker, lunatic.

Anti-abortion, anti-vax nutters want more babies to be born so that gun nuts have a continuous supply of targets in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

How is it when Republicans say that about Democrats banning guns - “Democrats have said they ARE going to take your guns” - that people here on DCUM, probably Democrats, immediately respond with “no one is going to be taking anyone’s guns, stop being conspiratorial nutters” ?

How’s it work one way, but not work the other way? Explain that for us. Why is it you think only Republicans keep their word, lolz?

Virginia Republicans have already pushed three bills banning abortion this year (2023), including one full ban.

If the Ds didn’t hold a slight lead in the VA Senate the Republicans would have already banned it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

It’s really disgusting that you are equating vaccine requirements for jobs/colleges (that have existed forever) with laws making abortion a FELONY.

No one FORCED you to get vaccinated. It was always a choice for you. Maybe one that you didn’t like but it was always a choice. GMAFB.

Revisionist history at work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/osha-federal-vaccine-mandate-covers-84-million-workerswhat-to-know.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Police are still funded in VA so that’s not really relevant. And abortion is on the table with some 100% ban candidates.

So it’s a very easy choice in VA.

Police are “still funded” in DC, but they are not allowed to chase criminals, arrest people etc.

You are not saying anything meaningful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

. . .

Show your work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:well maybe you should have thought of this OP back in 2020 when people were getting fired for even daring to suggest law enforcement has a legitimate purpose?

Right. Some ignorant jerk gets fired and blames his inadequacies on misinterpreted political jargon.

Did you miss all of 2020 where “defund the police” actually was a policy and people were unable to object to it in public?

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