Pledge of Allegiance in HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I was in HS we were required to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I guess I never really considered that in HS today kids don't need to stand and they don't need to recite it. Teachers can't enforce it and it is of course a right of freedom of expression. On 9/11 my child and 1 of 2 teachers took the time to stand and recite the pledge out of the 30ish people in the class. The one teacher that recited it said "really even on 9/11". What a change...

Cool story mee-maw, tell us another.

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Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

[Anonymous]

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Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. She did say "educated."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

[Anonymous]

What is the point of wasting time with this? Every freaking day.

[Anonymous]

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Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. She did say "educated."

You must belong to the “tolerant” party.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

[Anonymous]

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Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. She did say "educated."

You must belong to the “tolerant” party.

Education is something you can definitely obtain even on your own, so no, I don't tolerate ignorance. You choose to be ignorant and that's on you.

[Anonymous]

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Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. She did say "educated."

You must belong to the “tolerant” party.

Education is something you can definitely obtain even on your own, so no, I don't tolerate ignorance. You choose to be ignorant and that's on you.

An Army spouse here. This person does not understand "educated" if he/she thinks educated people cannot honor their country. He/she is also clueless if he thinks that many enlisted soldiers and non-coms are not educated. And, officers are all "educated" with college degrees--and many, many have advanced degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:

Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. She did say "educated."

You must belong to the “tolerant” party.

Education is something you can definitely obtain even on your own, so no, I don't tolerate ignorance. You choose to be ignorant and that's on you.

An Army spouse here. This person does not understand "educated" if he/she thinks educated people cannot honor their country. He/she is also clueless if he thinks that many enlisted soldiers and non-coms are not educated. And, officers are all "educated" with college degrees--and many, many have advanced degrees.

No one claimed that educated people cannot honor their country. I am assuming that PP (and I) claim that educated people understand why reciting a pledge of allegiance daily as some kind of worship ritual is not necessary to show that honor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I doubt you really understand what they know or believe. What you don't understand is the constitution and if you were educated you would be able to follow this conversation.

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Yes I said educated.

Wow. This person thinks that educated people do not respect this country. I don't know what group he/she hangs with, but I have been around many highly educated military people and the ones I know respect the flag.

Wonder is this vet is teaching in FCPS--sounds like one whose "wife" tweets a lot.

I'm not surprised you don't understand. She did say "educated."

You must belong to the “tolerant” party.

Education is something you can definitely obtain even on your own, so no, I don't tolerate ignorance. You choose to be ignorant and that's on you.

An Army spouse here. This person does not understand "educated" if he/she thinks educated people cannot honor their country. He/she is also clueless if he thinks that many enlisted soldiers and non-coms are not educated. And, officers are all "educated" with college degrees--and many, many have advanced degrees.

No one claimed that educated people cannot honor their country. I am assuming that PP (and I) claim that educated people understand why reciting a pledge of allegiance daily as some kind of worship ritual is not necessary to show that honor.

this. They also know that they protect the constitution and you demanding everybody stand for the flag is in wanton disregard for everything they stand for (no pun intended).

Wanting everybody to stand for the flag is in exact opposition to everything they risked their lives to protect. Which is way more disrespectful than sitting during the PoA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the point of wasting time with this? Every freaking day.

Day after day, year after year. All these other people sniping at one another truly have no idea that it doesn't matter whether the Pledge is good or not; we just should be be having kids robotically recite it 180 days per year from age 5 to age 18. Again, why kids and not every adult in the US?

[Anonymous]

Whether you say the pledge or not is your business. But, sitting during the pledge is disrespectful--and any "educated" eprson would know that.

just like you don't talk during a prayer--even if you are an atheist. It is disrespectful to those around you.