Pledge of Allegiance in HS

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How did the country make it nearly 200 years without this amazing bit of performance art?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

So you think it's good that schools are willfully breaking the law?

I can't believe how ignorant people are in today's world (you in particular) when you have all of the information at your fingertips.

The law is that schools have to provide a minute of silence (for prayer, reflection, whatever) and recite the pledge each day. The law does NOT say that students and staff have to do anything during that time. You don’t have to stand or recite. You don’t have to pray. Schools have to provide it but nobody is beholden to do anything during that time.

[Anonymous]

Other than the American flag, I have seen Steelers flags and a few college flags in the classrooms on my children. I am not a fan of those teams, but I also don’t have an ounce of care they’re there.

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Years ago, I taught a Jehovah's Witness in first grade. The principal said he should stand in respect for other kids or leave the room. He was not required to say the pledge. His choice.

This principal was big on respect. Teachers were not to drink anything (including coffee) in front of the kids. She said, you don't eat in front of guests in your home and you don't do it at school--unless you offer them something, as well.

Doesn't FCPS call for respect for others? Standing the pledge is showing respect for others. Period.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

This is not communist China. In the United States you don’t get to impose your disdain to those in uniform to others. This is a free country where we enjoy many liberties, and also have the freedom to show our gratitude to others’ sacrifice and service by thanking them the way we see fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

This is not communist China. In the United States you don’t get to impose your disdain to those in uniform to others. This is a free country where we enjoy many liberties, and also have the freedom to show our gratitude to others’ sacrifice and service by thanking them the way we see fit.

Bless your heart.

[Anonymous]

If you want to make sure your kids stand and say it, I suggest that you make them recite it in your house daily.

Teachers and schools don't have the right to... and I don't really think that mumbling through some words that a lot of students can't define gives them any pride in their country.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

This is not communist China. In the United States you don’t get to impose your disdain to those in uniform to others. This is a free country where we enjoy many liberties, and also have the freedom to show our gratitude to others’ sacrifice and service by thanking them the way we see fit.

“This is a free Country where you’re required to stand and thank an inanimate object for that freedom or else you’ll have your freedom taken away.”

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

This is not communist China. In the United States you don’t get to impose your disdain to those in uniform to others. This is a free country where we enjoy many liberties, and also have the freedom to show our gratitude to others’ sacrifice and service by thanking them the way we see fit.

“This is a free Country where you’re required to stand and thank an inanimate object for that freedom or else you’ll have your freedom taken away.”

I'm sure that poster didn't see the irony in her post at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

This is not communist China. In the United States you don’t get to impose your disdain to those in uniform to others. This is a free country where we enjoy many liberties, and also have the freedom to show our gratitude to others’ sacrifice and service by thanking them the way we see fit.

Oh please. Not saying that does not mean there is disdain. It just means that they are all doing a job. By choice. I'm thankful but it is very over the top. VERY. You do you. But this is not something I prefer to do. And yes, I have service member family members and they are not performative about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

You're school is the antithesis of American Freedom then. Go ahead and look up antithesis. I know you need to.

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Anonymous wrote:Whether you say the pledge or not is your business. But, sitting during the pledge is disrespectful--and any "educated" eprson would know that.

just like you don't talk during a prayer--even if you are an atheist. It is disrespectful to those around you.

Most forms of protest are “disrespectful “ but it’s not dishonoring vats.

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Ask the Vietnam vets about what dishonoring vets means.

And, the "vet" who posted said that most vets feel the same way he does. I strongly disagree and I am married to a highly educated vet who cannot believe it when people choose to disrespect the flag.

Of course, they have the "right" to do it. It doesn't mean it is not disrespectful. It also doesn't mean that most vets feel the way he does.

What vets like your husband don’t understand is that people don’t HAVE to respect the military and if they don’t it’s because the US military goes into other countries, destroys them, kills their citizens, creates massive upheaval to economic systems, etc. in the name of US hegemony. I get that people who enlist are told they’re “protecting their country” so they feel they’re doing good work but they’re really just advancing US dominance over other sovereign countries. American citizens are not obligated to respect a massive military that gobbles resources that could be used to sustain life for citizens in the US and that functionally destroys other countries to protect and hoard US assets.

Yes, all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to make sure your kids stand and say it, I suggest that you make them recite it in your house daily.

Teachers and schools don't have the right to... and I don't really think that mumbling through some words that a lot of students can't define gives them any pride in their country.

Definition of Pride worth teaching to our kids according to FCPS:
-Rainbow and Transgender flags and lessons.
-LGBTQ Pride celebrations all year long.
-Have everyone in the school recite their gender pronouns.
-Pride in the Pledge of Allegiance to the freedom and liberties represented by the U.S. flag? Nah!

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to make sure your kids stand and say it, I suggest that you make them recite it in your house daily.

Teachers and schools don't have the right to... and I don't really think that mumbling through some words that a lot of students can't define gives them any pride in their country.

Definition of Pride worth teaching to our kids according to FCPS:
-Rainbow and Transgender flags and lessons.
-LGBTQ Pride celebrations all year long.
-Have everyone in the school recite their gender pronouns.
-Pride in the Pledge of Allegiance to the freedom and liberties represented by the U.S. flag? Nah!

YOU.JUST.DON'T.GET.IT!!!!

No one is stopping you from standing and reciting the pledge.

No one is forcing you to stand and pledge anything to the rainbow flag.

At this point you have to either be extremely stupid or just want to beat a dead horse.

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I’m about to start teaching in the public schools and I am frustrated that in my state teachers are required to lead the pledge and can be fined for refusing to do so. It’s only a $5 fine for every two week period that the teacher fails to lead the pledge, so I am considering just paying and using it as an opportunity to teach a civics lesson to my students. The pledge of allegiance is contrary to the fundamental ideals of this nation.

Interestingly the minister (Francis Bellamy) who wrote the original pledge in 1892 was a SOCIALIST; I wonder if we could start educating MAGA about this terrible truth so maybe they’ll move to abolish the pledge?

And it gets worse! Until 1939 children saying the daily pledge of allegiance also had to give the flag the Bellamy salute:



If MAGA folks knew that, they’d probably want to bring it back.