Pledge of Allegiance in HS

[Anonymous]

Jingoism and patriotism are not the same thing. Learn to tell the difference, OP.

[Anonymous]

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I do find it rather hypocritical when the same people bleating about standing/saying the pledge, and how disrespectful it is not to stand, or whatever, wear those God awful flag shirts/shorts, etc. Guess what, that too is actually against the rules as per the US Flag Code (Public Law 94-344 https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/flagdisplay.pdf). I don't worry about them either because again, I care more about someone's freedoms than whether they are obeying an archaic flag law.

You don't understand the difference in wearing an image of the flag and the flag itself? Go read the code again. It only addresses not putting it on something that is temporary and will be trashed--like paper napkins.

Pick and choose as you may-

That's one part of the code-the embroidering on temporary articles but it also address, in that same sentence, cushions and handkerchiefs.

Also,

(d)The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

(j)No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I do find it rather hypocritical when the same people bleating about standing/saying the pledge, and how disrespectful it is not to stand, or whatever, wear those God awful flag shirts/shorts, etc. Guess what, that too is actually against the rules as per the US Flag Code (Public Law 94-344 https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/flagdisplay.pdf). I don't worry about them either because again, I care more about someone's freedoms than whether they are obeying an archaic flag law.

You don't understand the difference in wearing an image of the flag and the flag itself? Go read the code again. It only addresses not putting it on something that is temporary and will be trashed--like paper napkins.

Pick and choose as you may-

That's one part of the code-the embroidering on temporary articles but it also address, in that same sentence, cushions and handkerchiefs.

Also,

(d)The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.

(j)No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

According to the American Legion:

Some veteran organizations like the American Legion say clothing with the flag is patriotic, as long as it's not repurposed from an actual flag.

[Anonymous]

I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

So you think it's good that schools are willfully breaking the law?

I can't believe how ignorant people are in today's world (you in particular) when you have all of the information at your fingertips.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

So you think it's good that schools are willfully breaking the law?

I can't believe how ignorant people are in today's world (you in particular) when you have all of the information at your fingertips.

Years ago, I taught a Jehovah's Witness in first grade. The principal said he should stand in respect for other kids or leave the room. He was not required to say the pledge. His choice.

This principal was big on respect. Teachers were not to drink anything (including coffee) in front of the kids. She said, you don't eat in front of guests in your home and you don't do it at school--unless you offer them something, as well.

Doesn't FCPS call for respect for others? Standing the pledge is showing respect for others. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

So you think it's good that schools are willfully breaking the law?

I can't believe how ignorant people are in today's world (you in particular) when you have all of the information at your fingertips.

Years ago, I taught a Jehovah's Witness in first grade. The principal said he should stand in respect for other kids or leave the room. He was not required to say the pledge. His choice.

This principal was big on respect. Teachers were not to drink anything (including coffee) in front of the kids. She said, you don't eat in front of guests in your home and you don't do it at school--unless you offer them something, as well.

Doesn't FCPS call for respect for others? Standing the pledge is showing respect for others. Period.

That is not the law. The principal should not be breaking the law in order to satisfy her personal definition of respect.

Personal opinion of the principal you describe is that she is a lunatic just like you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is an atheist. He says the pledge but does not say "under God." I have zero issues with kids not saying it. It feels a little weird to be requiring school children to pledge their allegiance to this country every morning.

The money he uses and asks you for says In God We Trust so I guess he isn't asking for anymore money?

Probably not. Kids today use Venmo not cash money that has writing on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I stand for it, but haven't recited it since March 12, 2020.

What changed for you on March 12, 2020?

NP. MCPS announced school closures for the Covid-19 pandemic.

What an absolutely bizarre thing to be hung up on

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

So you think it's good that schools are willfully breaking the law?

I can't believe how ignorant people are in today's world (you in particular) when you have all of the information at your fingertips.

Years ago, I taught a Jehovah's Witness in first grade. The principal said he should stand in respect for other kids or leave the room. He was not required to say the pledge. His choice.

This principal was big on respect. Teachers were not to drink anything (including coffee) in front of the kids. She said, you don't eat in front of guests in your home and you don't do it at school--unless you offer them something, as well.

Doesn't FCPS call for respect for others? Standing the pledge is showing respect for others. Period.

That is not the law. The principal should not be breaking the law in order to satisfy her personal definition of respect.

Personal opinion of the principal you describe is that she is a lunatic just like you.

I thought we were supposed to respect others. Sad that you disagree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't realize how nutty liberal schools have become. A county or two further out and kids are not allowed to act like that from other kids. Everyone stands in our school!! Not a choice !!

So you think it's good that schools are willfully breaking the law?

I can't believe how ignorant people are in today's world (you in particular) when you have all of the information at your fingertips.

Years ago, I taught a Jehovah's Witness in first grade. The principal said he should stand in respect for other kids or leave the room. He was not required to say the pledge. His choice.

This principal was big on respect. Teachers were not to drink anything (including coffee) in front of the kids. She said, you don't eat in front of guests in your home and you don't do it at school--unless you offer them something, as well.

Doesn't FCPS call for respect for others? Standing the pledge is showing respect for others. Period.

That is not the law. The principal should not be breaking the law in order to satisfy her personal definition of respect.

Personal opinion of the principal you describe is that she is a lunatic just like you.

I thought we were supposed to respect others. Sad that you disagree.

The problem with that is what you view as disrespect I view as my constitutional right. The courts agreed. I suggest you and the teachers/principals follow the law and leave your personal opinions to yourself.

[Anonymous]

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

You really do not understand the difference?

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It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

You really do not understand the difference?

I do not understand the difference. Explain it to me like I am 5.

And don’t you dare use some bullshit about how they put their lives at risk. The proportion of military in combat roles is tiny.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.

I have the highest respect for the military as I’m married to a Marine, and I have worked with military men and women for many years. My comment was directed to the attitude expressed by the PP towards his/her service since it’s very unusual to me. By no means I expressed any disrespect for our armed forces, quite the contrary.

You are married to someone in the military not in the military. You have no standing and no idea what people in the military talk about amongst themselves and not with spouses.

You are correct. I have not experienced the daily inconvenience of schedule and routine to the extent you describe. However, I can relate to disrupted sleep; sleepless nights; and to meeting the needs of others at times when I have felt the most exhausted (or sick) through my parenting experience. I am thankful I haven’t done it alone, and for having my spouse constantly modeling discipline and sacrifice throughout our marriage - traits acquired during the training and service as a Marine. God only knows the many times my spouse must have felt exhausted and frustrated, yet has never given up on us, or on our country.

I have also taught military men and women preparing for posts abroad and we have discussed different topics in class. Some of them were leaving their families in the U.S., and the sense of sorrow was evident, even if they didn’t talk much about it. There is no way one cannot respect that kind of sacrifice.

God bless you and your family. And thank you very much for your service.

Can we also stop this “thank you for your service” bullshit too?

It’s a job. You are paid. Do you thank other public sector workers for their service? The postal carrier? The teacher? The toll taker?

Exactly. My best friend is a colonel in the army and he absolutely hates that shit too. He went in because he was in trouble in HS. The military was good for him and he enjoyed it. He generally liked the country but it's not like he went in due to some profound patriotic duty. He played his cards right and made a career out of it. He will admit that he doesn't deserve the bling worship the military receives.