Pledge of Allegiance in HS

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

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This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

DP. While one is allowed to have a dual citizenship, one can only serve one master because in case of conflict — such as a war between the U.S. and your country of origen — the expectation during the swearing-in ceremony is that your loyalty be to the U.S., and not to your country of origen. So, were you just performing then in order to obtain the benefits that come with being a U.S. citizen?

Nobody is jealous of your dual citizenship, we are just confused about your true understanding of loyalty when you pledged allegiance to the U.S. during your naturalization.

I'm not at all confused. You can choose to be confused by my choices. That's fine with me.

Uh…I hate people like you, just here for the dollars and benefits, no loyalty to this soil or it’s people. I am an immigrant as well, I don’t have dual citizenship, I think it should not be allowed. You can’t be loyal to two countries in an act of war and it looks like it’s very clear which side you will pick.

People like you don’t belong here and frankly America is better off without selfish, hypocrites like you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

+1

This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

DP. While one is allowed to have a dual citizenship, one can only serve one master because in case of conflict — such as a war between the U.S. and your country of origen — the expectation during the swearing-in ceremony is that your loyalty be to the U.S., and not to your country of origen. So, were you just performing then in order to obtain the benefits that come with being a U.S. citizen?

Nobody is jealous of your dual citizenship, we are just confused about your true understanding of loyalty when you pledged allegiance to the U.S. during your naturalization.

I'm not at all confused. You can choose to be confused by my choices. That's fine with me.

Uh…I hate people like you, just here for the dollars and benefits, no loyalty to this soil or it’s people. I am an immigrant as well, I don’t have dual citizenship, I think it should not be allowed. You can’t be loyal to two countries in an act of war and it looks like it’s very clear which side you will pick.

People like you don’t belong here and frankly America is better off without selfish, hypocrites like you.

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[Anonymous]

Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we requiring/recommending that kids recite the pledge every morning, but we are not requiring/recommending adults to do so? (Unless they work in a school system.)

Here is part of the state law, FWIW:

Each school board shall require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and shall ensure that the flag of the United States is in place in each such classroom. Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

Obviously, I get that there is a law. I'm saying that it shouldn't even be that. If adults had to stand and say it every day, I guarantee they would clamor to get rid of it.

In the United States Congress, the sessions of the House of Representatives and the Senate begin their daily business with the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Anonymous]

Any thought that standing and talking to an inanimate object actually means allegiance to the principles of the country and its constitution pretty much went out the window when "patriots" draped in flags beat police officers over the head with the poles in an effort to end democracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

You do know vets and military did not die on 9/11 right?

And if you talk to an educated vet they will tell you they fought for freedom, fought to protect the constitution and they fought so HS students can't be forced to stand during the PoA.

Vets went out when cops were beating protestor to explain to them that they had put their life on the line so we don't live in a military state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we requiring/recommending that kids recite the pledge every morning, but we are not requiring/recommending adults to do so? (Unless they work in a school system.)

Here is part of the state law, FWIW:

Each school board shall require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and shall ensure that the flag of the United States is in place in each such classroom. Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

Obviously, I get that there is a law. I'm saying that it shouldn't even be that. If adults had to stand and say it every day, I guarantee they would clamor to get rid of it.

In the United States Congress, the sessions of the House of Representatives and the Senate begin their daily business with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Cool. Now let's make all businesses do it across the US and see how long it lasts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

+1

This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

DP. While one is allowed to have a dual citizenship, one can only serve one master because in case of conflict — such as a war between the U.S. and your country of origen — the expectation during the swearing-in ceremony is that your loyalty be to the U.S., and not to your country of origen. So, were you just performing then in order to obtain the benefits that come with being a U.S. citizen?

Nobody is jealous of your dual citizenship, we are just confused about your true understanding of loyalty when you pledged allegiance to the U.S. during your naturalization.

I'm not at all confused. You can choose to be confused by my choices. That's fine with me.

Uh…I hate people like you, just here for the dollars and benefits, no loyalty to this soil or it’s people. I am an immigrant as well, I don’t have dual citizenship, I think it should not be allowed. You can’t be loyal to two countries in an act of war and it looks like it’s very clear which side you will pick.

People like you don’t belong here and frankly America is better off without selfish, hypocrites like you.

Oh honey, with people like you living here (if you an are immigrant indeed, which I doubt) who needs enemies abroad? Your lack of understanding and education only proves that people like me bring a lot more to this society than we will ever take. Nothing selfish or hypocritical about loving where I came from while working, paying taxes and improving the community I live in. I think people like you should have never been able to become citizens if all you're going to do is spread your nationalistic propaganda here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

Oh wow!!! How many years have you served in the military????? You have some nerve. Instead of getting on your ass and serving, you have the nerve to lecture someone who actually does about their sense of duty. This is delusion on the highest level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

You do know vets and military did not die on 9/11 right?

And if you talk to an educated vet they will tell you they fought for freedom, fought to protect the constitution and they fought so HS students can't be forced to stand during the PoA.

Vets went out when cops were beating protestor to explain to them that they had put their life on the line so we don't live in a military state.

Well, you are certainly speaking with different vets than I. Of course, you have the right not to stand--but it shows who you are and what you believe. It is called "respect." Respect for the hundreds of thousands who have given so much to this country.

If you choose not to stand, you show who you are. You don't have to say the pledge, but you should at least show consideration for those who do.

As for "retreat" on a military post. Sure, it can be inconvenient, but the soldiers I know jumped out quickly and proudly. (For those who have never been on a military post at retreat, it is when they take down the American flag and the soldiers stop and salute. It is a very moving scene. If they are in a car, they get out of the car and salute. RESPECT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

You do know vets and military did not die on 9/11 right?

And if you talk to an educated vet they will tell you they fought for freedom, fought to protect the constitution and they fought so HS students can't be forced to stand during the PoA.

Vets went out when cops were beating protestor to explain to them that they had put their life on the line so we don't live in a military state.

Well, you are certainly speaking with different vets than I. Of course, you have the right not to stand--but it shows who you are and what you believe. It is called "respect." Respect for the hundreds of thousands who have given so much to this country.

If you choose not to stand, you show who you are. You don't have to say the pledge, but you should at least show consideration for those who do.

As for "retreat" on a military post. Sure, it can be inconvenient, but the soldiers I know jumped out quickly and proudly. (For those who have never been on a military post at retreat, it is when they take down the American flag and the soldiers stop and salute. It is a very moving scene. If they are in a car, they get out of the car and salute. RESPECT

Yes I said educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Honestly. Why would pledging the flag make any difference on 9/11? If anything, 9/11 represents the start of a 20 year+ immoral war that unjustifiably killed so many people and spanned two generations of men who were conned into joining the military for it.

Any kid or adult CAN stand and any kid or adult can sit. I’m a teacher. I’m not saying it.

Tell it to the U.S. soldiers who proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as they serve and even sacrifice their lives in order to protect your right to have choices and to live in freedom.

Visit veterans and learn from them about the concept of service to others, including those who think differently than they do. You will get a glimpse of the real meaning of pride as reflected in their sacrifice. Similar to being a parent, we love our kids even when we disagree with them.

Do you seriously think we "proudly recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis?!?" GMAFB. We roll out of bed at 545 scrambling to make it to the 6am formation where we grumble about the time while doing PT. When we're done we scramble right back to housing and sleep as long as possible, get up and head into work like a regular human. At the end of the day, we avoid being outside at the "retreat" call because it is a huge PITA.

Rinse, repeat.

It must be sad to feel that way about your sense of duty. I hope you don’t feel the same about marriage and parenting.

How quickly your “respect” for the military has devolved into disrespect.