Pledge of Allegiance in HS

[Anonymous]

I graduated hs in 1999 and never said the pledge while there. Somewhat miraculously (s/) I managed to join the military, serve my country for 8 years, not care whether people kneel, say the pledge, etc, because guess what, in this country that is what we fight for-the freedom to choose.

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

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This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

So, you were performing during your naturalization ceremony?

[Anonymous]

Where did you grow up doing the PofA in HS. That's crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

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This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

So, you were performing during your naturalization ceremony?

No, I wasn't performing. That was a swearing-in ceremony. Not a daily ritualistic exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

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This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

So, you were performing during your naturalization ceremony?

No. Proud to be an American. Proud to know lots of immigrants who are proud to be Americans. Clearly, you are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I graduated hs in 1999 and never said the pledge while there. Somewhat miraculously (s/) I managed to join the military, serve my country for 8 years, not care whether people kneel, say the pledge, etc, because guess what, in this country that is what we fight for-the freedom to choose.

Thank you. I bet you OP is also the one to blindly worship the military until she/he has to pay up for the care of our veterans. Then it's "you're on your own."

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

+1

This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
Oath
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

+1

This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

So, you were performing during your naturalization ceremony?

No. Proud to be an American. Proud to know lots of immigrants who are proud to be Americans. Clearly, you are not.

Who said I wasn't proud to be an American citizen? I most certainly never said that. I am just ALSO proud to be from my native country, where I grew up, whose culture will always be a part of me, where my relatives are and where my ancestors are buried. Why is that so offensive to you?

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

+1

This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
Oath
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

OK, and?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, as a high school teacher I hate it. It is so creepy to hear little robot children reciting it. I tell kids they may say it or they must be politely quiet for those who wish to say it, and am secretly relieved when they choose to stay seated and silent.

Thanks for being tolerate of the kids that do want to say it, because you never know where the kids are coming from...parents & family that serve, possibly died etc. I would think all common in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, as a high school teacher I hate it. It is so creepy to hear little robot children reciting it. I tell kids they may say it or they must be politely quiet for those who wish to say it, and am secretly relieved when they choose to stay seated and silent.

Thanks for being tolerate of the kids that do want to say it, because you never know where the kids are coming from...parents & family that serve, possibly died etc. I would think all common in this area.

The word is "tolerant."

[Anonymous]

Cool story, bro.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we requiring/recommending that kids recite the pledge every morning, but we are not requiring/recommending adults to do so? (Unless they work in a school system.)

Here is part of the state law, FWIW:

Each school board shall require the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in each classroom of the school division and shall ensure that the flag of the United States is in place in each such classroom. Each school board shall determine the appropriate time during the school day for the recitation of the Pledge. During such Pledge of Allegiance, students shall stand and recite the Pledge while facing the flag with their right hands over their hearts or in an appropriate salute if in uniform; however, no student shall be compelled to recite the Pledge if he, his parent or legal guardian objects on religious, philosophical or other grounds to his participating in this exercise. Students who are thus exempt from reciting the Pledge shall remain quietly standing or sitting at their desks while others recite the Pledge and shall make no display that disrupts or distracts others who are reciting the Pledge. School boards shall provide appropriate accommodations for students who are unable to comply with the procedures described herein due to disability.

Obviously, I get that there is a law. I'm saying that it shouldn't even be that. If adults had to stand and say it every day, I guarantee they would clamor to get rid of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

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This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

DP. While one is allowed to have a dual citizenship, one can only serve one master because in case of conflict — such as a war between the U.S. and your country of origen — the expectation during the swearing-in ceremony is that your loyalty be to the U.S., and not to your country of origen. So, were you just performing then in order to obtain the benefits that come with being a U.S. citizen?

Nobody is jealous of your dual citizenship, we are just confused about your true understanding of loyalty when you pledged allegiance to the U.S. during your naturalization.

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Anonymous wrote:Half of my kids’ school either isn’t American at all or has dual citizenship with another country as mine do. I hope my kids aren’t pledging allegiance.

Huh?? What does this even mean? How do you know who has what citizenship and whatnot? Why are you even here if you hope your kids aren't pledging allegiance? Why don't you just go back to Russia or China or whatever your citizenship is?

And that was really your entire intent behind starting this thread. You just wanted to tell people "to go back where they came from." It isn't going to happen. We are here legally, naturalized citizens of this country and citizens by birth of another. I have no desire to recite the pledge to this country or any other. This blid nationalism has got to go. Spend your energy working on real issues such as lack of access to health care, or a living wage for all of our citizens instead of this BS.

Hm… Was that your attitude during your naturalization ceremony, or were you just performing?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/the-naturalization-interview-and-test/naturalization-oath-of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

+1

This dual citizenship thing should stop.

Why? Are you jealous you don't have one? I'm legally allowed to have dual citizenship and intend to keep both.

DP. While one is allowed to have a dual citizenship, one can only serve one master because in case of conflict — such as a war between the U.S. and your country of origen — the expectation during the swearing-in ceremony is that your loyalty be to the U.S., and not to your country of origen. So, were you just performing then in order to obtain the benefits that come with being a U.S. citizen?

Nobody is jealous of your dual citizenship, we are just confused about your true understanding of loyalty when you pledged allegiance to the U.S. during your naturalization.

I'm not at all confused. You can choose to be confused by my choices. That's fine with me.