If you are moderate Dem, would you consider an establishment Republican in 2024? Why/why not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

Depends on the slate of candidates.
As a Dem, I would have taken Kasich over Manchin or Sinema.

[Anonymous]

isn't a moderate dem just someone who likes gays but wants the top marginal tax rate not to be above 30%?

[Anonymous]

charlie baker 2024 no?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what "establishment" means, but I would not consider any of the people you listed. They are all crazy MAGAs to some degree or another. I might consider a Romney, Hogan, or Baker type, but they would have to convince me they wouldn't just become a tool of the MAGAs. It doesn't matter since none of them could get the nomination anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

Joe Biden is a moderate Democrat. Happy now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:isn't a moderate dem just someone who likes gays but wants the top marginal tax rate not to be above 30%?

Moderate dems are fine with taxing the rich more than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lifelong Democrat here. My first presidential election I voted for Dukakis. I voted for McCain over Obama because I thought Obama was too inexperienced. When I lived in NY I voted for the republican over Spitzer because I thought Spitzer was a sleazeball. Turned out I was right.

I’d vote for Mitt Romney if he ran. I would consider DeSantis if he ran. I know this post won’t be liked, but I think many democrats have lost the plot and support absurd policies that allow men in women’s spaces, sports and prisons. It’s such a deviation from reality and truth that I have a hard time voting for any politician who supports it. You asked.

Not to mention allowing men into women’s uteruses. Pass.

[Anonymous]

Nikki Haley is not a moderate. Stop with the gaslighting.

And no. I have a newfound appreciation for the important ace for the Supreme Court. The rollback of women’s rights has made me a single issue voter

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would vote for someone like a Larry Hogan or a Mitt Romney, but otherwise the Republicans candidates aren’t very appealing.

However, for something like a school board I’m much more likely to vote for a conservative.

So, book burning is ok, then?

Not a fan of it, but there are reasonable conservatives at the school board level, especially in Maryland. Not everyone wants to burn books.

Remove books porn/groomer books from school libraries is not book burning.

That you actually believe there is porn or groomer books in school libraries is sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

As long as the GOP stands against the freedom for women to control their own body, I will not vote fro one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

Eisenhower at least believed in investing in national infrastructure and understood that taxes are a critical piece of what is needed to make a country (and yes, the civilian side of it) work.
Can'd say the same for any Republican since the 1980s.

End even Richard Nixon, as bad as he was, understood the importance of protecting the environment. But again, no Republican since the 1980s has understood that.

People always want to insist that the country is moving toward the left, but it's the right that has lost its way, has abandoned a lot of things that it used to value and understand.

Eisenhower is a pre Civil Rights republican. He would be a moderate democrat in today's world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are a moderate Democrat or centrist independent, and voted for Biden, Hillary, and/or Obama:

Would you consider an establishment Republican, like Nikki Haley, in 2024? If so, why?
Do you consider Ron Desantis an establishment Republican and would you consider voting for him?

If yes, what issues do you think Democrats are more extreme on than Nikki Haley/Ron Desantis/Kristi Noem/Mike Pence? Please be SPECIFIC. For example, rather than saying "government spending," please specify spending on WHAT exactly, and what would be your alternative?

I'm interested in your perspective and specifics to really hear from actual moderate Democrats who feel that not only has the Democratic Party gone too far left, but that the mainstream GOP is closer to the center... and that people who say this aren't actually gaslighting and have always actually been Republicans.

I'm a normie center-left Dem, and there are definitely some things that progressives do and say that are annoying, but I a) don't see the crazy progressive ideas every being legislated and b) don't think they're as harmful as right wing policies, just annoying. Things like "woke" pandering and using words like LatinX, and culture war stuff. I think the right obsesses more about that anyways. And I don't think full student loan forgiveness is a good idea but nobody with any power is proposing that either. But I'm willing to hear from others on their perspective as to how the progressive left things that I consider mildly annoying are actually more harmful than what most Republicans are proposing.

In a word: NEVER!

There is no circumstance where I would ever vote for anyone connected to Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

I would like Republicans to nominate someone I disagree with over policy differences - but who isn't some gd lunatic who's going to destroy everything. Can you see how we might prefer our candidate, and also hope that in the event yours wins, it's not a clown show where the clowns are shooting acid into the crowd?

And no, there is no Republican I would vote for. Why would I? Tell me how my life is better with ANY Republican in charge?

I assume, from your post, that you have voted for plenty of Democrats in your time even though you generally prefer Rs because - something something freedom and taxes.

MAGAs won't support this candidate and thus not viable on the national stage. It just is where we are as a country right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’ve learned in 4 pages of this thread:

There is literally no living Republican DCUM would ever vote for. (and those of you answered “Eisenhower” clearly know nothing about Dwight D. Eisenhower, lol! Ike would be too conservative for the [i]Republican[i/] party today!)

Also, no one attempted to define what a “moderate” Democrat is. Which makes perfect sense, because you [i]can’t[i/] define something that doesn’t exist - otherwise it could be defined.


And I almost spit my coffee out laughing at the poster who “pleaded with their Republican friends to support Kasich instead”, as if they themselves would’ve voted for Kasich over Hillary in the general?!?! Laughable!


Don’t ever change, DCUM.

To be fair, the question was geared at people who already identify as Democrats. Moderate Democrats. Not crypto-conservatives or center-right libertarianish “independents” who will tolerate varying levels of fascism in order to keep their taxes low.

“Moderate Democrat”- still undefined on page 5.

In the unlikely event that this comment was made in good faith, I identify as a "moderate Democrat" and here are my general politics. Happy now?

- Voted for Obama, HRC, Biden (all my first-choice candidates in the respective Democratic primaries) and was generally aligned with them on most issues.
- Don't support tax cuts, especially for high earners. I have a relatively high HHI and pay a combined ~40-45% tax rate between federal and state taxes (high-tax state) and think this is appropriate for people at and above my income level. I believe in people paying their fair share and think the top 1-2% of earners should be taxed significantly more. I support an increased estate tax.
- I think military spending is important and reducing it is not a priority for me. I support foreign interventions in some cases.
- I support gay rights and the Obergefell decision, and don't agree that "religious liberty" should somehow allow discrimination against LGBTQ people in any sphere. I think people should use whatever public bathroom they feel more comfortable in. I agree that transgender athletes participating in women's sports is a problem, but I'm able to recognize that it is a relatively minor issue in the big picture. I do not include pronouns in my work email signature, even though my employer allows it and many people do (I find the concept a bit ridiculous). As far as the gender culture wars go, I personally fall on the more moderate/conservative end of the spectrum, but this is mainly an annoyance, not something I would vote R over.
- I don't support legalizing drugs as a general matter. I understand the arguments for decriminalizing pot, and am politically ambivalent on it. I personally hate it in general and also how it's become ubiquitous in areas where it's decriminalized.
- I support tough on crime measures and I like police (not in a "Blue Lives Matter" way, but I have no problem with the police and think that they have been demonized over the past few years. I do agree that some reforms in policing may be needed, but don't support funding cuts or paring back police forces. I am not white if that matters.) I live in a state that passed bail reform a few years ago and strongly disagree with how the law is designed and implemented.
- I support spending on social programs like SNAP/WIC, expanded Medicaid, and generally anything that helps the poor get by. Probably not to the level that the progressive wing of the Democratic party would want, though (just because their proposals are somewhat unrealistic). I don't think a $15 national minimum wage is realistic, but I would support some kind of policy that pegged the minimum wage in each state to the living wage in the area.
- I support Biden's plan for canceling $10,000 of student debt per borrower. I think there are problems with canceling all debt, but this seems like a good middle ground. I would support making community college free.
- I support all of the gun control measures that the Democratic party has put forth in the past decades. I think universal background checks, prohibiting mentally ill individuals from obtaining guns, closing gun show loopholes, and general common-sense measures are a minimum requirement. I would love for assault-style weapons
to be banned. On a personal level, I hate guns and would like to see gun permits severely restricted (preferably just to police and military), the end of concealed carry, etc., but that will never happen.
- I think climate change is a real and pressing issue, and think the federal government needs to act on a sweeping basis. I would support any Democratic bill to address climate change, regardless of cost.
- I think the Democratic party has lost the plot on immigration, particularly with respect to the southern border. What we have is tantamount to an open border, and I think the asylum system as it currently exists is one massive loophole that is not being used as intended. I think current Democratic policy essentially equates to not enforcing our immigration laws, and it is frustrating. I actually don't think Trump's Remain in Mexico policy was a bad idea, and think it should be continued. I am 100% fine with deporting undocumented immigrants (particularly those who have committed crimes), support mandatory and universal use of e-Verify, and support DACA on a limited basis for those who entered the United States prior to a cutoff date that is strictly enforced. But I don't believe that Republicans actually want to fix the problem in good faith either.

The one issue where I'd consider myself to be left of the average "moderate Democrat" is that I'm extremely, stringently pro-choice in all situations. I think there should be no restrictions whatsoever on abortion, late-term abortion, minor abortion, any of it. Most moderates that I know personally are okay with some limitations or just don't consider this to be a priority. I'm a one-issue voter on this issue in that I will never ever vote for an anti-choice politician of any party.