Asians are NOT the model minority: the Affirmative Action Chess Game

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

A PP stated that he/ she was "angry" about affirmative action. Not angry in general. You need to read better.

Polls indicate that 69% of Asian Americans support affirmative action.

If some Asians are "angry" it's not because of affirmative action specifically, but because of straight racism and anti-Asian hate, mostly politicized by right wing politicians.

You really don't understand Asian mindset/perspective. I am not the "angry" poster but that poster is correct. A lot of Asians I know (particularly parents with kids in MS/HS) are "angry" about AA. They don't see it as a tool to create diversity, they view it as a tool to screw Asian kids. What you are hearing thru out this thread is Asian posters (mostly older posters with kids in MS/HS maybe) saying they don't agree with AA and they are angry about it. And they do not believe the article is accurate - probably because they have never met anyone who support AA including myself.

How is AA tool to "screw" Asian kids?

Asians are overrepresented relative to their population on college campuses, including most of the highly selective ones.

No one deserves a spot at a place like Harvard. It has a 3% acceptance rate.

Here we go. June can't come soon enough...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Different PP but no. The purpose of college is to educate, not to engage in dubious social experiments.

Do you live in a segregated community?

[Anonymous]

This article does a good job of explaining how differences in question wording affect answers on this topic. Polls that ask about affirmative action get support from all racial groups because people are in favor of equality, diversity, etc. Polls that ask about considering race in college admissions have most people in all groups saying they oppose it.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-education/the-inherent-contradictions-in-the-affirmative-action-debate

[Anonymous]

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Different PP but no. The purpose of college is to educate, not to engage in dubious social experiments.

Do you live in a segregated community?

Oh god. i hate stupid posts and you win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Echoing the other posters but I’m Asian American and all Asian Americans I know who support AA have already gone to college/med school and don’t have kids. And I’d say it’s more of a 60/40 split of against/for AA.

I agree the article is very insulting to Asian Americans, trying to paint us as having been tricked by conservatives. Many Asians, including immigrants, actually are proud and happy conservatives themselves.

It's not "insulting. " It's the truth.

Asians are being used by conservative groups in an "us versus them" ploy.

And if you REALLY look at the Harvard SCOTUS case, the alleged discrimination against Asians on personal ratings, while proven untrue, has nothing to do with affirmative action itself.

When affirmative action is banned next year, do personal ratings under holistic admissions get banned too? No. Because the personal ratings have nothing to do with race.

I don't give a rat's ass if SFFA and the founder is 'using' Asians you imply are too dumb to know any better. I care about ending racial discrimination against Asians by any legal means necessary as soon as possible. Many Asians feel similarly.

The SFFA is using apparent Asian " why aren't we getting into Harvard in higher percentages" grievance to ban race-conscious admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article does a good job of explaining how differences in question wording affect answers on this topic. Polls that ask about affirmative action get support from all racial groups because people are in favor of equality, diversity, etc. Polls that ask about considering race in college admissions have most people in all groups saying they oppose it.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-education/the-inherent-contradictions-in-the-affirmative-action-debate

Interesting article indeed.


“The Harvard admissions case can mess with your mind,” a group of Asian American social scientists wrote in a Medium post, in 2019. “These charges resonate with all Asian Americans. They confirm our worst fears. At the same time, we must remain skeptical of these charges and how they are being used.” Affirmative action “is one of the few programs we see that is really trying to address structural inequalities,” Janelle Wong, the director of the Asian American Studies program at the University of Maryland and one of the post’s authors, told me. “And it is under attack at the same time there is growing awareness of structural inequalities.”

[Anonymous]

PP has no argument other than to insist the facts are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: A study by Georgetown University found that with a test score-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students would lose their seats at the nation’s most selective colleges.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-led-student-groups-are-continuing-affirmative-action-fight-harva-rcna55071

Georgetown study:

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

Holistic admissions benefits Asians too.

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If Asians think there's going to be some admissions windfall next year and forward, it doesn't look like it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

Another Korean here. I don’t know anybody either. I’d love to meet one to understand their perspective. I don’t see why anyone would support that. Maybe young kids who feel they “have to”??

You don't support diversity on college campuses?

Different PP but no. The purpose of college is to educate, not to engage in dubious social experiments.

Do you live in a segregated community?

Yes. Segregated by high income and education. There are no poor, uneducated people on my street, nor do I work with any poor, uneducated people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

I can’t imagine moving to Korea and expressing strong opinions about policies intended to redress historical discrimination in Korea. My family in Japan have endured pretty horrific discrimination despite being born in Japan, and even so they would never presume to try to comment on policies in Japan related to Japan’s history.

As an American family whose family has been here since 1700 and whose family cemetery includes a lot of Civil War dead —- STFU or go back to Korea.

[Anonymous]

Polls that ask about affirmative action get support from all racial groups because people are in favor of equality, diversity, etc.

Not me. Those are inherently evil concepts.

[Anonymous]

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Polls that ask about affirmative action get support from all racial groups because people are in favor of equality, diversity, etc.

Not me. Those are inherently evil concepts.

You must be a white supremacist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

I can’t imagine moving to Korea and expressing strong opinions about policies intended to redress historical discrimination in Korea. My family in Japan have endured pretty horrific discrimination despite being born in Japan, and even so they would never presume to try to comment on policies in Japan related to Japan’s history.

As an American family whose family has been here since 1700 and whose family cemetery includes a lot of Civil War dead —- STFU or go back to Korea.

PP is an American. Who the F are you to tell anyone to go anywhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

I can’t imagine moving to Korea and expressing strong opinions about policies intended to redress historical discrimination in Korea. My family in Japan have endured pretty horrific discrimination despite being born in Japan, and even so they would never presume to try to comment on policies in Japan related to Japan’s history.

As an American family whose family has been here since 1700 and whose family cemetery includes a lot of Civil War dead —- STFU or go back to Korea.

That PP is an American. Don't let your true color show.

[Anonymous]

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Article which counters the Asians as the " model minority" myth.

"More than two in three Asian Americans – 69% – support affirmative action, and that’s been the case for nearly a decade. Within that demographic, support is highest among Korean Americans and Asian Indian Americans (at least 80%) and lowest among Chinese Americans, 59% of whom say they favor such policies.

Despite that polling data and widespread Asian American activism in support of affirmative action, Students for Fair Admissions – whose conservative donors have engaged in a larger crusade targeting issues including voting rights – have sought to paint a different picture. They are, critics say, using Asian Americans as a wedge to incite infighting among communities of color."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/11/06/affirmative-action-case-harvard-admissions-asian-americans/10599572002/

In the Affirmative Action cases before the Supreme Court, the conservative Students For Fair Admissions (SFFA) - led by Ed Blum - is using the Asian Americans to keep URMs marginalized.

That sounds odd to me. I don't know any Asian who supports AA, myself included.

I am Korean American and i do not know any Korean American supporting AA. In Fact, many are angry about it.

You're part of the 31%. That's ok. Just don't be in denial that there are a decent Asians who support AA. There was a strong contingent who were at the Supreme Court during the actual hearing.

What you you "angry" about?

That just shows how clueless you are how Asians really feel. You must be white.

Can't answer the question. Ok.

Umm.. Asian people do not owe you the emotional and educational labor to explain why anti-Asian policies make them angry. Educate yourself please.

STILL can't answer the question but want to babble nonsense.

Get off the thread

Bye.

It's not that Asian posts can't answer the question. If you don't know the answer yourself, you don't belong here talking about us. What do you really know about how we, Asians, are feeling? I mean seriously, what do you know about Asians?

A PP stated that he/ she was "angry" about affirmative action. Not angry in general. You need to read better.

Polls indicate that 69% of Asian Americans support affirmative action.

If some Asians are "angry" it's not because of affirmative action specifically, but because of straight racism and anti-Asian hate, mostly politicized by right wing politicians.

You really don't understand Asian mindset/perspective. I am not the "angry" poster but that poster is correct. A lot of Asians I know (particularly parents with kids in MS/HS) are "angry" about AA. They don't see it as a tool to create diversity, they view it as a tool to screw Asian kids. What you are hearing thru out this thread is Asian posters (mostly older posters with kids in MS/HS maybe) saying they don't agree with AA and they are angry about it. And they do not believe the article is accurate - probably because they have never met anyone who support AA including myself.

How is AA tool to "screw" Asian kids?

Asians are overrepresented relative to their population on college campuses, including most of the highly selective ones.

No one deserves a spot at a place like Harvard. It has a 3% acceptance rate.

Here we go. June can't come soon enough...

Yes - the admissions cycle after next June will still have Harvard at a very low acceptance rate.

Nothing will change much.