I think its something everyone that has integrity and morals say about someone who doesn't. Case in point on what is happening to Trump and his cronies right now. |
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When I was young - late teens and early twenties - and at the height of my physical beauty, I engaged in some promiscuity which included some one night stands. It wasn’t until years later that I understood the roots of this behavior, but at the time I didn’t see it as anything other than me experiencing my sexuality with men I found attractive in mutually fulfilling encounters.
One night I found myself in bed with a visiting professor of a local university who I had met and engaged in mutual seduction with at a local bar over billiards and drinks. We had not yet consummated the coupling when he let slip that he had a wife and kids back home in Canada. Despite his protestations, and I realize in retrospect that I was lucky he didn’t just force himself on me, I got out of bed got dressed and left. I told him as I was dressing that I could never knowingly be a participant in infidelity - that even if it wasn’t my promises at issue, I lived by a strong code that I owed respect to other peoples’ marriages. Of course the whole point of publication of wedding banns is to make known impediments to marriage, and the publication of wedding announcements is to inform the community of the status of certain persons. Rings are another, better public announcement of unavailability - which is of course why so many men don’t wear them. They blame the job or whatever - fine, take it off from 9-5 but put it on all other times - all kinds of excuses why that isn’t practical. I would never trust a husband who wouldn’t wear his ring willingly and enthusiastically. I found myself tricked once or twice in my travels, and those experiences upset me to think about. I have no sympathy for single women or men who knowingly engage in affairs with married people - in particular if they know the married person is a parent. I think it requires a certain level of narcissism and sociopathy in a person’s psychological makeup to engage in such behavior, and some do it exclusively. It’s gross. |
manipulative and calculating and a total lack of reality of the kind of person they really are. |
That's because you are a decent person. I also was raised it was wrong to have sex, much less openly throw myself at married men (or even men in committed relationships to someone else). My brother was taught the same. I think some people were raised to see infidelity in their own homes and dysfunction that they see nothing wrong with it. The values and integrity aren't there. They saw lying was okay if it meant a way of fulfilling a desire. Everyone else be damned. Me, me, me. |
It says a lot about a person's character. |
That's true but the core issue is that your exH was not monogamous. He was equally enjoying his family time AND his time with OW. I had a similar situation: my marriage to exH as very much alive, he seemed to be happy and never tried to discuss if anything bothered him. That beats me the most that he didn't even try to communicate what I was doing wrong, to give us a chance! Probably I wasn't doing anything wrong and marital therapy would have revealed his adultery with multiple women. Cheaters try to avoid couples therapy as anathema. The OW controlled all aspects (creepy as I didn't even know what was causing our conflicts): she would throw a tantrum when learning my exH took me for a romantic trip to Caribbean; brainwashed him that I am too crazy about our child being a competitive athlete. ExH would have to devote a lot of time driving son to practices and it wasn't in HER interests to keep father involved in family too much. She was also married but her own kids were grown up college students. I felt so sick when this double life was discovered (it lasted for 8 years before our son found out!). I realized that my exH made so many harmful for family's well-being decisions because of that "side influence". |
+1. I am so sorry your son was the one to discover it. How traumatizing for all of you. And, yes, you describe how this situation between two married affair partners is never “just sex”. It’s negativity bleeds into the family and causes all kind of disharmony where the family has zero idea what is causing it. Manipulation and pouting and fighting is part of the drama in these “no strings/won’t leave our marriage” rules of dysfunctional affairs. The people harmed (spouse/kids) are really psychologically tormented. |
This is heart breaking to read. So sorry. And, yet, that OW would be one on this site swearing she didn't cause any harm to you because she never was going to break up a marriage/family...all the while doing the things you described and trying to steer him away place negativity in his mind about you and familiy. |
Precisely. This whole antisocial “I owe absolutely nothing to anyone else” attitude is quite literally sociopathic. |
I'm that OW you're referring to, and no I never acted like that at all. I truly did not want either of us to leave our marriages. Our affair was conducted only during business hours, with no bleedover into evenings or weekends. Far from tantruming when he did things for his wife, I actually coached him on how to do nice things for her. (No, not expecting a medal for that, just explaining that YOUR experience is not universal.) |
She was not harmed in any way. As an aside, you'd think she was a crappy person and parent if you knew her. So maybe getting cheated on was her karma? I don't believe in any of that junk, but aren't you all always prattling on about it? |
I hope you realize how downright sick and sociopathic that is. Disgusting. Plus, there WAS BLEEDOVER don't fool yourself. In order to carry out what he was doing he was an over-stressed, critical a-hole at home. Taking time with you during the work day meant longer hours and make-up work that directly bled into family time, not to mention the cost and the time spent meeting up. What you did is absolutely disgusting, like your some kind of saint making marriages better across the DMV. You are so delusional to think you are blameless and not hurting your own spouse/kids and his as well by taking part in what you were doing. You need psychological help and an STI panel. |
Did you personally know her? Doubtful. Likely only heard anything about her from the guy you were banging. And her parenting? What could you possibly know about her parenting? Discussions during your f*ck sessions? Get real. |
Ha. This poster so perfectly encapsulates what the others said upstream, i.e., "Precisely. This whole antisocial “I owe absolutely nothing to anyone else” attitude is quite literally sociopathic." So BDP/sociopathic its beyond words. |
Curious. Did she find out about you? If so, how could you possibly say she wasn't harmed in any way? Have you read about what betrayal in a marriage does to the betrayed? The type of psychological damage it inflicts for the rest of their life? Are you still cheating on your husband? What number are you up to now? Why stay married? Can you not support yourself? |