Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway
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Anonymous
OF COURSE I am sympathetic. But I will not put myself or my children in danger to bear the burdens of the system that supposedly failed them and aided and abetted me as a wealthy white woman. Not sorry about that!! I will never be. |
Anonymous
Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s? |
Anonymous
It wasn't to save money, it was because of the really really terrible conditions at the institutions. |
Anonymous
The alternative was always going to be homelessness. Their families don’t want them and they are unable to fend for themselves |
Anonymous
I think worse drugs are widely available now. PCP, crack, K2. Even widespread availability of marijuana now can contribute to psychosis. |
Anonymous
Even if that's accurate, it doesn't matter, because Neely had just been sentenced to 15 months in a treatment facility for breaking that woman's nose last fall. He walked out after 13 days. So the facilities were available to him and he chose not to use them. That's the underlying issue with many of the homeless population that I don't know how to address it. When DC cleared out their encampments the other month, the government spent weeks sending someone there every day to offer services and something like only a third of the people accepted the services. I don't support what the man did because it was clear he should have released Neely sooner, but I don't fault him for trying to subdue Neely in the first place. |
Anonymous
So instead of making the institutions better by perhaps training the employees and passing patient laws, they just closed them and never reopened them or built any new ones. Right. |
Anonymous
And as the PP said, it's the "liberals" fault, correct? |
Anonymous
To your question, the threshold for involuntary commitment and treatment needs to be lowered. |
Anonymous
| You cannot fault him for trying g to subdue this man. Tragically, Neely had become a menace and a threat. Don’t tell me Toure and all his commenters on Insta wouldn’t have done the same in the heat of the moment to protect their children! |
Anonymous
Uh huh. |
Anonymous
He had treatment and housing options that he refused. He was no victim. His hardships were his own choice. |
Anonymous
No, the law was changed during Clinton's administration. We had a mentally ill family member, and we no longer were able to keep her in a mental hospital after the changes. |
Anonymous
It’s the same as with public housing and hope vi. Progressives say “these large institutions stink. Let’s close them and spend the money on more modern, decentralized facilities.” Republicans then say “closing them sounds great. As for funding the new stuff, well, we wouldn’t want to cut into our corporate and high income tax breaks so we’ll have to see what’s left over for that.” The advantage of big institutions is that they are hard assets, the major cost of which has already been incurred. Things like section 8 and decentralized treatment facilities need annual appropriations which the R’s just won’t support. So we take away a crappy solution and then fail to fund any real alternatives. The halfway house Neeley was provided was obviously insufficient for his needs. Those sort of facilities are good for someone who is already better and just needs a suppprtive environment as part of a transition back into society. |
Anonymous
Unholy alliance between people (generally on the right) who wanted to save money and people (generally on the left/ACLU) who opposed involuntary confinement. Nobody is free of blame. |