PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

"Forced," as if -- gefilte fish is the silver lining of the week-long matzah cloud.

Well, here, too is the Ashkenormativity. We never ever eat gefilte fish in our house - it's not an inherently Jewish food - it is Polish Jewish food that Polish Catholics also serve.

[Anonymous]

Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

did anyone ask you?

and part of the reason why Jews are uncomfortable with this is the long history of violence towards Jewish people under the guise of Christianity. So you’re cool with telling oppressed people not to speak up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

"Forced," as if -- gefilte fish is the silver lining of the week-long matzah cloud.

Well, here, too is the Ashkenormativity. We never ever eat gefilte fish in our house - it's not an inherently Jewish food - it is Polish Jewish food that Polish Catholics also serve.

Polish? All the Jews from the former USSR eat gefilte fish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear OP - I’ve read all of your remarks. You clearly don’t want to contact the very few churches that may conduct Seders. You want to publicly shame all Christians for something they do not do. Please try to find a good therapist -or even a learned rabbi -and have him read what you wrote here. Your behavior is not normal. You want to argue over and over about something that is not there. And even if “there” does no harm but you are unwilling to contact those few churches and tell them it is appropriation. Most rabbis will disagree with you. That is why Jews are encouraged to bring Christians and friends to both nights to share the history of Exodus with them. You argue here, on and in, because you seek attention. A good therapist or rabbi may be able to help you. That change alone will help you in your relationship with family and friends.

I'm the OP.

I would laugh if what you wrote wasn't so sick and cruel.

I don't know why you think most rabbis would disagree with me. I have discussed with two rabbis (aren't all by definition learned?)-- mine and a good friend from childhood. Both are disgusted by Jesus-centric seders.

I truly do not understand why Christians would WANT to do something so offensive! It really was a PSA -- like "know better, do better."

Sadly, its not very few churches. And Jews no longer have to sit silently while the majority culture behaves in ways that are hurtful. That may be upsetting to you, but it's true.

My behavior in posting a PSA is not normal?

For me it is. For a Jew it is. We talked at seder on Saturday about the continuing persecution of Jews (it's a normal part of the seder FYI) and Christian seders were discussed at length. (Spoiler alert: no one was a fan)

Maybe what you consider normal is really just Christian-centric? Open your eyes and your heart. It's a sick form of gaslighting to pathologize a minority's feelings about their culture, telling me I need therapy because I am offended by Jesus-centered seders. That is truly sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that if Christians are going to try to co-opt our Passover Seders, they should at least be forced to eat gefilte fish.

Seems only fair!

"Forced," as if -- gefilte fish is the silver lining of the week-long matzah cloud.

Well, here, too is the Ashkenormativity. We never ever eat gefilte fish in our house - it's not an inherently Jewish food - it is Polish Jewish food that Polish Catholics also serve.

Polish? All the Jews from the former USSR eat gefilte fish.

Well, Jews in the Caucasus (which was part of the USSR in large part) did not eat gefilte fish. Gefilte fish originated in Eastern Europe, sweet gefilte is from Poland. The more savory gefilte is from Russia/Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

did anyone ask you?

and part of the reason why Jews are uncomfortable with this is the long history of violence towards Jewish people under the guise of Christianity. So you’re cool with telling oppressed people not to speak up?

They aren't oppressing you by having a seder. It is just in bad taste. If you want to talk abut oppressed people how about we discuss how women are the most oppressed group since the beginning of time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

did anyone ask you?

and part of the reason why Jews are uncomfortable with this is the long history of violence towards Jewish people under the guise of Christianity. So you’re cool with telling oppressed people not to speak up?

They aren't oppressing you by having a seder. It is just in bad taste. If you want to talk abut oppressed people how about we discuss how women are the most oppressed group since the beginning of time?

Ah yes — the oppression Olympics.



- A Jewish woman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

did anyone ask you?

and part of the reason why Jews are uncomfortable with this is the long history of violence towards Jewish people under the guise of Christianity. So you’re cool with telling oppressed people not to speak up?

They aren't oppressing you by having a seder. It is just in bad taste. If you want to talk abut oppressed people how about we discuss how women are the most oppressed group since the beginning of time?

Ah yes — the oppression Olympics.



- A Jewish woman

Pp’s point was, let’s not claim oppression where none exists. Christian seders aren’t oppressing anyone, in fact they would seem a (misguided) attempt to reverse past persecution by empathizing, or something. You wanting to spend your Seder talking about historical oppression has little to do with it.

If you want to talk about oppression, find some real, current oppression. Like the oppression of women in Judaism, certain churches, and Islam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

did anyone ask you?

and part of the reason why Jews are uncomfortable with this is the long history of violence towards Jewish people under the guise of Christianity. So you’re cool with telling oppressed people not to speak up?

They aren't oppressing you by having a seder. It is just in bad taste. If you want to talk abut oppressed people how about we discuss how women are the most oppressed group since the beginning of time?

Ah yes — the oppression Olympics.



- A Jewish woman

Pp’s point was, let’s not claim oppression where none exists. Christian seders aren’t oppressing anyone, in fact they would seem a (misguided) attempt to reverse past persecution by empathizing, or something. You wanting to spend your Seder talking about historical oppression has little to do with it.

If you want to talk about oppression, find some real, current oppression. Like the oppression of women in Judaism, certain churches, and Islam.

Or oppression of the Palestinians. That’s an issue today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things that I find deeply offensive:

The way the Catholic church treats and subjugates women.
The way the Catholic church treats gays
The way the Orthodox Jewish religion treats and subjugates women.
The way many evangelical churches treat and subjugates women.
People who eat beef
People who eat pork
Killing animals for religious purposes
Religion

I mean I can go on and on. What are you gonna do? In my opinion if people of faith spent as much time being the person their faith calls them to be as they did telling other people how to be the people they think they should be, we would have a more just and beautiful world.

The way that Islam treats and subjugates women raises zero concern?

I think I indicated that this was not an exhaustive list but yes, really any subjugation of women I find offensive. Genital mutilation of both genders is horrible. I mean the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things for what some suppose are good reasons, but again, I choose not to spend my days ranting from the rooftops about all of them. My energy is better spend to more positive ends than airing my grievances though I am a fan of Festivus.

did anyone ask you?

and part of the reason why Jews are uncomfortable with this is the long history of violence towards Jewish people under the guise of Christianity. So you’re cool with telling oppressed people not to speak up?

They aren't oppressing you by having a seder. It is just in bad taste. If you want to talk abut oppressed people how about we discuss how women are the most oppressed group since the beginning of time?

Ah yes — the oppression Olympics.



- A Jewish woman

Pp’s point was, let’s not claim oppression where none exists. Christian seders aren’t oppressing anyone, in fact they would seem a (misguided) attempt to reverse past persecution by empathizing, or something. You wanting to spend your Seder talking about historical oppression has little to do with it.

If you want to talk about oppression, find some real, current oppression. Like the oppression of women in Judaism, certain churches, and Islam.

Or oppression of the Palestinians. That’s an issue today.

I love how you leave out the fact that women aren’t oppressed outside of Orthodox Judaism, over which the rest of us Jews have no control.

I also love how you left out anti-Semitism.

[Anonymous]

Not to mention that most Seders DO talk about current oppression of Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, I don't get this need of always claiming to be the historic oppressed. You are living now at this time and are not oppressed, not in 18th century Russia.
Muslim countries did their fair share of oppressing too.
Palestinians are oppressed, America education and health system is designed to oppress the less wealthy. Let someone who truly has been denied opportunities talk about being oppressed

Says someone else who doesn’t care about anti-Semitism.

Not to mention, the Holocaust was in 1945, not 18th century Russia.

Go away.