PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

[Anonymous]

The oppression of Palestinians by the tiny minority of Jews that comprise the leadership of the Israeli state is far more barbaric than the equally small minority of Christians around the world who celebrate Seders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The oppression of Palestinians by the tiny minority of Jews that comprise the leadership of the Israeli state is far more barbaric than the equally small minority of Christians around the world who celebrate Seders.

Start your own thread if that’s what you want to talk about.

No one—and I mean no one—is arguing it’s worse.

Just stop it.

[Anonymous]

Why is it that anytime Jews point out anything that we find offensive, someone brings up Israel?

Newsflash: this is America, not Israel. I don’t have any control over what they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it that anytime Jews point out anything that we find offensive, someone brings up Israel?

Newsflash: this is America, not Israel. I don’t have any control over what they do.

Anti-Semitic reflex. Whataboutbibiism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The oppression of Palestinians by the tiny minority of Jews that comprise the leadership of the Israeli state is far more barbaric than the equally small minority of Christians around the world who celebrate Seders.

Creepy antisemitic stalking Jews on DCUM: back to the dark web, kook.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed, I don't get this need of always claiming to be the historic oppressed. You are living now at this time and are not oppressed, not in 18th century Russia.
Muslim countries did their fair share of oppressing too.
Palestinians are oppressed, America education and health system is designed to oppress the less wealthy. Let someone who truly has been denied opportunities talk about being oppressed

Says someone else who doesn’t care about anti-Semitism.

Not to mention, the Holocaust was in 1945, not 18th century Russia.

Go away.

Also, not the point, but for what it's worth, it was late 19th century and early 20th century Russia when the oppression of Jews there reached its peak, not 18th century (which is why the family of so many U.S. Jews of Russian ancestry started leaving then).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed, I don't get this need of always claiming to be the historic oppressed. You are living now at this time and are not oppressed, not in 18th century Russia.
Muslim countries did their fair share of oppressing too.
Palestinians are oppressed, America education and health system is designed to oppress the less wealthy. Let someone who truly has been denied opportunities talk about being oppressed

Says someone else who doesn’t care about anti-Semitism.

Not to mention, the Holocaust was in 1945, not 18th century Russia.

Go away.

Also, not the point, but for what it's worth, it was late 19th century and early 20th century Russia when the oppression of Jews there reached its peak, not 18th century (which is why the family of so many U.S. Jews of Russian ancestry started leaving then).

Right. My dad’s side of the family is here because of pogroms in Ukraine in the 1910s. My great grandma remembered them and painted pictures of them. She died when I was 4. Not exactly ancient history.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, 1905. They were from a village outside Odessa. They suffered the worst pogrom in the Russian Empire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa_pogroms

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The oppression of Palestinians by the tiny minority of Jews that comprise the leadership of the Israeli state is far more barbaric than the equally small minority of Christians around the world who celebrate Seders.

WTF?? This is so deeply antisemitic

Jewish =/= Israeli.

I am Jewish, never been to Israel, never plan to. I am American.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate my religious traditions as I see fit.

+1. People are allowed to do whatever they want in their own homes. Get a life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. It's getting old

That article a PP posted explains why a Christian Seder is offensive.

But in order for us to agree with the author, we have to agree that different people own certain ideas. And they don't. The whole idea of appropriation is corrupt and illogical given the history of the world. All ideas/traditions/products are evolutionary, so no one owns them. Judaism is a cultural/religious/ethnic heritage for the author of the article, but it is also a cultural/religious heritage for Christians. The author doesn't own Passover.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate my religious traditions as I see fit.

+1. People are allowed to do whatever they want in their own homes. Get a life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. It's getting old

That article a PP posted explains why a Christian Seder is offensive.

But in order for us to agree with the author, we have to agree that different people own certain ideas. And they don't. The whole idea of appropriation is corrupt and illogical given the history of the world. All ideas/traditions/products are evolutionary, so no one owns them. Judaism is a cultural/religious/ethnic heritage for the author of the article, but it is also a cultural/religious heritage for Christians. The author doesn't own Passover.

So appropriation is always ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For Jews who are fine with Christians holding a Seder, is it still fine if they don't use the Haggadah, but rather a Christian version that tells the story of Jesus?

Just don’t say you’re having a Passover Seder. Call it something different.

It’s offensive to me—not saying all Jews, but me—to subvert a sacred ritual where we tell the story of our escape from slavery and impose Jesus on it.

this. I can respect the “who cares” position, but what people may not realize is that a “Christian seder” basically imposes Jesus into the ritual as the paschal sacrifice. This is basically Easter, but for some unknown reason, some Christians feel like there’s some reason to have a “Christian seder” in commemoration of the last supper instead of just calling it Easter.

Christians, if you are so curious about passover, there is likely an *interfaith* group in your town where you can attend a seder led by the Jewish community. or just make some Jewish friends and ask to be invited.

Except people who believe that Jesus is God's son, also believe that the entire history of the covenant and God's people were pointing to arrival of God's son, and that Passover was part of that. Just going to a Jewish Passover, without interpreting the exodus and Passover as symbolic of the work of Christ is meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate my religious traditions as I see fit.

+1. People are allowed to do whatever they want in their own homes. Get a life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. It's getting old

That article a PP posted explains why a Christian Seder is offensive.

But in order for us to agree with the author, we have to agree that different people own certain ideas. And they don't. The whole idea of appropriation is corrupt and illogical given the history of the world. All ideas/traditions/products are evolutionary, so no one owns them. Judaism is a cultural/religious/ethnic heritage for the author of the article, but it is also a cultural/religious heritage for Christians. The author doesn't own Passover.

How is a Jewish practice that developed AFTER the foundation of Christianity "a cultural/religious heritage for Christians"? The only way this can possibly be true is if you believe that Christians own everything Jewish. This is about the Passover Seder, not the concept of passover in the old testament or any particular book of the old testament. As has been explained to you ad nauseum, Christianity has its own way of incorporating passover and Exodus into its rites and liturgies already. You may as well talk about "Jewish Haaj" or "Christian Reincarnation." Equally absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate my religious traditions as I see fit.

+1. People are allowed to do whatever they want in their own homes. Get a life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. It's getting old

That article a PP posted explains why a Christian Seder is offensive.

But in order for us to agree with the author, we have to agree that different people own certain ideas. And they don't. The whole idea of appropriation is corrupt and illogical given the history of the world. All ideas/traditions/products are evolutionary, so no one owns them. Judaism is a cultural/religious/ethnic heritage for the author of the article, but it is also a cultural/religious heritage for Christians. The author doesn't own Passover.

So appropriation is always ok?

Maybe another way to look at it is to ask if Jews appropriated Passover from Christianity? Or Islam?

If that offends you, then you need to rethink what exactly you mean by appropriation. Because Passover is a very real part of those religions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will celebrate my religious traditions as I see fit.

+1. People are allowed to do whatever they want in their own homes. Get a life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. It's getting old

That article a PP posted explains why a Christian Seder is offensive.

But in order for us to agree with the author, we have to agree that different people own certain ideas. And they don't. The whole idea of appropriation is corrupt and illogical given the history of the world. All ideas/traditions/products are evolutionary, so no one owns them. Judaism is a cultural/religious/ethnic heritage for the author of the article, but it is also a cultural/religious heritage for Christians. The author doesn't own Passover.

So appropriation is always ok?

Maybe another way to look at it is to ask if Jews appropriated Passover from Christianity? Or Islam?

If that offends you, then you need to rethink what exactly you mean by appropriation. Because Passover is a very real part of those religions.

Passover started as a Jewish holiday.

You really need to learn some basics about these religions before commenting.