PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:For Jews who are fine with Christians holding a Seder, is it still fine if they don't use the Haggadah, but rather a Christian version that tells the story of Jesus?

Just don’t say you’re having a Passover Seder. Call it something different.

It’s offensive to me—not saying all Jews, but me—to subvert a sacred ritual where we tell the story of our escape from slavery and impose Jesus on it.

this. I can respect the “who cares” position, but what people may not realize is that a “Christian seder” basically imposes Jesus into the ritual as the paschal sacrifice. This is basically Easter, but for some unknown reason, some Christians feel like there’s some reason to have a “Christian seder” in commemoration of the last supper instead of just calling it Easter.

Christians, if you are so curious about passover, there is likely an *interfaith* group in your town where you can attend a seder led by the Jewish community. or just make some Jewish friends and ask to be invited.

Except people who believe that Jesus is God's son, also believe that the entire history of the covenant and God's people were pointing to arrival of God's son, and that Passover was part of that. Just going to a Jewish Passover, without interpreting the exodus and Passover as symbolic of the work of Christ is meaningless.

Ok ... so don't go to a Jewish seder then? you ALREADY HAVE liturgies and holy days that incorporate the last supper and exodus - Easter and the Eucharist. So that is where you can "interpret exodus and passover as symbolic of the work of Christ." To claim you need to take over a JEWISH ceremony to do that is just very wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder: if any other minority group was saying something was offensive to them, would they be getting this much pushback?

You mean like a mocking Broadway musical? Yeah, there are other minority religions who get offended too.

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Anonymous wrote:“A Christian Seder absolutely involves inserting Jesus into Jewish traditions. That’s the entire reason it’s offensive.”

All of Christianity is about inserting Jesus into Jewish traditions. He was a Jew. Just because you find it offensive doesn’t mean others cannot practice their religion however they choose to.

LOLOL! If Christianity were about "inserting Jesus into Jewish traditions" then you would still celebrate all the same holidays. The reality is that the religion you refer to as Christianity is a rapid departure of that which the ancient Israelites followed and has nothing to do with modern Judaism.

Christianity explicitly rejects much of the Old Testament. You don't follow Purim, you don't follow Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur. You reject the book of life and Kashrut. You believe in eternal damnation, contradicted by the Old Testament and modern Judaism alike. Most of you reject sex as a positive act, which Jews have supported as part of their religion since the beginning. In fact, the best thing, in the eyes of God, that a Jewish couple can do on Shabbat is have sex. Most Christians rejects abortion, which is both legal and fine under the Jewish tradition and fine by the standards of the ancient Israelites. And then Christians persecuted Jews for rejecting your beliefs for 2000 plus years. If you want to appropriate our culture and holidays, god bless, but to act like your religion is simply an update of Judaism is both laughable and factually untrue.

I didn’t say Christianity is an update of Judaism. Jesus was a Jew and inserted himself in Jewish traditions by participating in them and commenting on them, often turning the tables (literally and figuratively) on the Jewish leaders he interacted with. Persecution of anyone is wrong, no matter who is doing the persecution. Jesus and early Christians were Jewish and nothing in the New Testament would support persecuting Jews or anyone. Would you be offended if Christians followed Purim and Rosh Hashanah?

The New Testament might not have supported persecution, but it happened, from the destruction of the first and second Temples to the Crusades, Holocaust, etc.

Have you read the prophecies of the Jewish prophets?

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Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

For someone who really doesn't want Christians to tell Jews what their religion says, you seem to do a lot of the reverse. Easter in my religion is a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Having rituals that tie us closer to the Old Testament covenant (because yes, some Christians believe that we have been adopted into the House of Israel) is a totally legitimate purpose that does nothing to denigrate Jews.

Should Catholics be able to demand that Baptists stop being baptized by immersion because they "appropriated the practice" and now do it differently?

As much as you may not like it, Jews and Christians do share a common origin, and that can be interpreted in various ways. Why not consider Christians as allies rather than enemies. None of us were alive when "your people" were being persecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages.

If, instead, PP, you are a Christian lecturing other Christians about Easter, you should know that the reason there are hundreds of denominations is that we don't all agree about everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

For someone who really doesn't want Christians to tell Jews what their religion says, you seem to do a lot of the reverse. Easter in my religion is a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Having rituals that tie us closer to the Old Testament covenant (because yes, some Christians believe that we have been adopted into the House of Israel) is a totally legitimate purpose that does nothing to denigrate Jews.

Should Catholics be able to demand that Baptists stop being baptized by immersion because they "appropriated the practice" and now do it differently?

As much as you may not like it, Jews and Christians do share a common origin, and that can be interpreted in various ways. Why not consider Christians as allies rather than enemies. None of us were alive when "your people" were being persecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages.

If, instead, PP, you are a Christian lecturing other Christians about Easter, you should know that the reason there are hundreds of denominations is that we don't all agree about everything.

Why did you put “your people” in quotes?

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

And yet large denominations, like evangelical Protestants of many types and the Catholic Church do not.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

And yet large denominations, like evangelical Protestants of many types and the Catholic Church do not.

Yes. Indeed. Did you have a point?

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

And yet large denominations, like evangelical Protestants of many types and the Catholic Church do not.

Yes. Indeed. Did you have a point?

My point is that 4 denominations being tolerant is not “lots” as the PP stated and that Christianity, in general, remains mostly very intolerant.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

And yet large denominations, like evangelical Protestants of many types and the Catholic Church do not.

Yes. Indeed. Did you have a point?

My point is that 4 denominations being tolerant is not “lots” as the PP stated and that Christianity, in general, remains mostly very intolerant.

It's the majority of mainstream Protestantism. It is, actually lots. Christianity cannot be painted with that broad of a brush. Nor can Judaisim.

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Funny. I know a super catholic family that does a Seder meal every year on Holy Thursday and then goes to mass.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

And yet large denominations, like evangelical Protestants of many types and the Catholic Church do not.

Yes. Indeed. Did you have a point?

My point is that 4 denominations being tolerant is not “lots” as the PP stated and that Christianity, in general, remains mostly very intolerant.

It's the majority of mainstream Protestantism. It is, actually lots. Christianity cannot be painted with that broad of a brush. Nor can Judaisim.

Calling it mainstream makes it sound more common than evangelical Protestantism, which it is not. There are more evangelical Protestants in the USA than there are mainline Protestants.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

yeah well - with that attitude, don’t then be surprised when actual Jewish people are upset at you. You can choose to be offensive, but you can’t escape the consequences.

Yup. I feel like this whole “we’ll do what we want” attitude smacks of such privilege.

Clearly these people have never had to worry that their traditions might be assimilated and lost. They don’t understand.

Anything that is "lost" is likely because you belong to a religion that very strictly bars outsiders from entry. Ever thought of that?

Me doing what I do in my church does not have anything to do with what you do in your household or in your place of worship. Maybe if someone from your community finds their way to my church and is interested and engaged, it is literally because the motto of my particular house of worship is "All are welcome, and all means all."

Really? Church is a welcoming place? Tell that to my best friend who is having a hard time finding a place to baptize his baby daughter because he is a man married to another man.

Lots of denominations will do this. Maybe just not the one he wants.

Define “lots.” Tell us precisely which ones.

Episcopal Church (all of them)
Presbyterian Church (all of them)
Unitarian Universalist Church
United Church of Christ

I'm sure there are other denominations as well.

And yet large denominations, like evangelical Protestants of many types and the Catholic Church do not.

Yes. Indeed. Did you have a point?

My point is that 4 denominations being tolerant is not “lots” as the PP stated and that Christianity, in general, remains mostly very intolerant.

It's the majority of mainstream Protestantism. It is, actually lots. Christianity cannot be painted with that broad of a brush. Nor can Judaisim.

Calling it mainstream makes it sound more common than evangelical Protestantism, which it is not. There are more evangelical Protestants in the USA than there are mainline Protestants.

Yes, and there are more Trumpsters than progressives. Doesn't mean Trumpsters represent Americans more than progressives.