PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

For someone who really doesn't want Christians to tell Jews what their religion says, you seem to do a lot of the reverse. Easter in my religion is a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Having rituals that tie us closer to the Old Testament covenant (because yes, some Christians believe that we have been adopted into the House of Israel) is a totally legitimate purpose that does nothing to denigrate Jews.

Should Catholics be able to demand that Baptists stop being baptized by immersion because they "appropriated the practice" and now do it differently?

As much as you may not like it, Jews and Christians do share a common origin, and that can be interpreted in various ways. Why not consider Christians as allies rather than enemies. None of us were alive when "your people" were being persecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages.

If, instead, PP, you are a Christian lecturing other Christians about Easter, you should know that the reason there are hundreds of denominations is that we don't all agree about everything.

Please discuss this with your priest or pastor. There is no missing piece of Christianity that makes you need to take over the Jewish seder as a way to express your connection to the Old Testament, Exodus, or Passover. These concepts are already fully integrated into Christianity, if not central to it. Why do you think you call Jesus the Lamb of God whose sacrifice saves humanity? Commemorate the Last Supper at communion? It’s all there, already. Conversely the seder is a wholly Jewish ritual which has nothing to do with Jesus.

https://theshalomcenter.org/sites/default/files/mlk50_interfaith_freedom_seder_pdf-_b_copy.pdf

I found this link while reviewing some of the links shared in this thread. It seems to me this could be beautiful without the air of appropriation. Thoughts?

That’s very nice, but it’s a totally different thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of Christians hosting a Seder. As a Catholic, in 4th grade CCD, when we studied the Old Testament, we did sort of a seder. It was a hot mess because no one knew what we were supposed to be doing. Why they didn't just ask a Jew to run it, I don't know.

I'm actually a little irritated that I have a ton of friends (and even family) that are Jewish, and they have never once invited me to a Seder. I'd love to go -- looks so interesting!

That’s surprising—the Jews I know are quite inclusive. The more, the merrier!

I find the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

For someone who really doesn't want Christians to tell Jews what their religion says, you seem to do a lot of the reverse. Easter in my religion is a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Having rituals that tie us closer to the Old Testament covenant (because yes, some Christians believe that we have been adopted into the House of Israel) is a totally legitimate purpose that does nothing to denigrate Jews.

Should Catholics be able to demand that Baptists stop being baptized by immersion because they "appropriated the practice" and now do it differently?

As much as you may not like it, Jews and Christians do share a common origin, and that can be interpreted in various ways. Why not consider Christians as allies rather than enemies. None of us were alive when "your people" were being persecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages.

If, instead, PP, you are a Christian lecturing other Christians about Easter, you should know that the reason there are hundreds of denominations is that we don't all agree about everything.

Please discuss this with your priest or pastor. There is no missing piece of Christianity that makes you need to take over the Jewish seder as a way to express your connection to the Old Testament, Exodus, or Passover. These concepts are already fully integrated into Christianity, if not central to it. Why do you think you call Jesus the Lamb of God whose sacrifice saves humanity? Commemorate the Last Supper at communion? It’s all there, already. Conversely the seder is a wholly Jewish ritual which has nothing to do with Jesus.

I agree with both you and PP before you. There were very early Christians who did celebrate Jewish holidays and also very early Christians who thought this was terrible and that Christians would slip into Judaism.

Is it possible for Christians, in celebrating Christ and doing their rituals for remembering him and his life, also honor his celebration and remembrance of the liberation of Israelites in Ancient Egypt? Or is it possible for Christians as a theoretically "good" people to want to honor the liberation of Israelites one thousand four hundred years before the common era? Is everyone allowed to celebrate Juneteenth?

Yes, it is possible. It’s called Easter and the Eucharist. Obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

For someone who really doesn't want Christians to tell Jews what their religion says, you seem to do a lot of the reverse. Easter in my religion is a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Having rituals that tie us closer to the Old Testament covenant (because yes, some Christians believe that we have been adopted into the House of Israel) is a totally legitimate purpose that does nothing to denigrate Jews.

Should Catholics be able to demand that Baptists stop being baptized by immersion because they "appropriated the practice" and now do it differently?

As much as you may not like it, Jews and Christians do share a common origin, and that can be interpreted in various ways. Why not consider Christians as allies rather than enemies. None of us were alive when "your people" were being persecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages.

If, instead, PP, you are a Christian lecturing other Christians about Easter, you should know that the reason there are hundreds of denominations is that we don't all agree about everything.

Please discuss this with your priest or pastor. There is no missing piece of Christianity that makes you need to take over the Jewish seder as a way to express your connection to the Old Testament, Exodus, or Passover. These concepts are already fully integrated into Christianity, if not central to it. Why do you think you call Jesus the Lamb of God whose sacrifice saves humanity? Commemorate the Last Supper at communion? It’s all there, already. Conversely the seder is a wholly Jewish ritual which has nothing to do with Jesus.

I agree with both you and PP before you. There were very early Christians who did celebrate Jewish holidays and also very early Christians who thought this was terrible and that Christians would slip into Judaism.

Is it possible for Christians, in celebrating Christ and doing their rituals for remembering him and his life, also honor his celebration and remembrance of the liberation of Israelites in Ancient Egypt? Or is it possible for Christians as a theoretically "good" people to want to honor the liberation of Israelites one thousand four hundred years before the common era? Is everyone allowed to celebrate Juneteenth?

Yes, it is possible. It’s called Easter and the Eucharist. Obviously.

And BTW, if I, a white mom, had a Juneteenth barbecue with go go music, collards, fried chicken, and watermelon, I would expect that would be problematic as well. Or if I announced I was having an all-white Juneteenth celebration to observe how Irish people were just like Black people and were freed from British rule, equally bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has someone already quoted Luke 22?

The Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is called Passover, was drawing near. 2 The chief priests and the scribes were looking for a way to put Him to death, because they were afraid of the people.

3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, who was numbered among the Twelve. 4 He went away and discussed with the chief priests and temple police how he could hand Him over to them. 5 They were glad and agreed to give him silver.[a] 6 So he accepted the offer and started looking for a good opportunity to betray Him to them when the crowd was not present.

yes ... you know when we hear this reading? during Easter services. E.a.s.t.e.r. That is the Christian observation of Jesus’s Last Supper. Easter. Easter!!!!!!!

For someone who really doesn't want Christians to tell Jews what their religion says, you seem to do a lot of the reverse. Easter in my religion is a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. Having rituals that tie us closer to the Old Testament covenant (because yes, some Christians believe that we have been adopted into the House of Israel) is a totally legitimate purpose that does nothing to denigrate Jews.

Should Catholics be able to demand that Baptists stop being baptized by immersion because they "appropriated the practice" and now do it differently?

As much as you may not like it, Jews and Christians do share a common origin, and that can be interpreted in various ways. Why not consider Christians as allies rather than enemies. None of us were alive when "your people" were being persecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages.

If, instead, PP, you are a Christian lecturing other Christians about Easter, you should know that the reason there are hundreds of denominations is that we don't all agree about everything.

Please discuss this with your priest or pastor. There is no missing piece of Christianity that makes you need to take over the Jewish seder as a way to express your connection to the Old Testament, Exodus, or Passover. These concepts are already fully integrated into Christianity, if not central to it. Why do you think you call Jesus the Lamb of God whose sacrifice saves humanity? Commemorate the Last Supper at communion? It’s all there, already. Conversely the seder is a wholly Jewish ritual which has nothing to do with Jesus.

https://theshalomcenter.org/sites/default/files/mlk50_interfaith_freedom_seder_pdf-_b_copy.pdf

I found this link while reviewing some of the links shared in this thread. It seems to me this could be beautiful without the air of appropriation. Thoughts?

that’s an interfaith seder, presumably led by rabbis. totally different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of Christians hosting a Seder. As a Catholic, in 4th grade CCD, when we studied the Old Testament, we did sort of a seder. It was a hot mess because no one knew what we were supposed to be doing. Why they didn't just ask a Jew to run it, I don't know.

I'm actually a little irritated that I have a ton of friends (and even family) that are Jewish, and they have never once invited me to a Seder. I'd love to go -- looks so interesting!

That’s surprising—the Jews I know are quite inclusive. The more, the merrier!

I find the opposite.

And do you care to understand why we might approach outsiders a bit differently than you might like?