PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Orthodox Jew and I don't mind at all if non-Jews want to make seders for their own families. I find it strange and I don't see value in it, but I don't mind or take offense. If I was going to bother taking offense to Christianity, it would be for the supersessionist sentiments which are far more widespread than makeshift seders.

I am actually happy when non-Jews buy our kosher for Passover products for random reasons, such as wanting cane sugar instead of corn syrup or gluten-free cookies. More demand will mean these products will become more widely distributed and more affordable over time. So that's a win win.

Aww...this reminds me of my dad, who absolutely loved matzoh and would buy boxes and boxes of them. I...did not understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Orthodox Jew and I don't mind at all if non-Jews want to make seders for their own families. I find it strange and I don't see value in it, but I don't mind or take offense. If I was going to bother taking offense to Christianity, it would be for the supersessionist sentiments which are far more widespread than makeshift seders.

I am actually happy when non-Jews buy our kosher for Passover products for random reasons, such as wanting cane sugar instead of corn syrup or gluten-free cookies. More demand will mean these products will become more widely distributed and more affordable over time. So that's a win win.

Aww...this reminds me of my dad, who absolutely loved matzoh and would buy boxes and boxes of them. I...did not understand.

Ha! I was about to share about my dear Irish mother who also loved matzoh. She’d have it buttered with her tea .

[Anonymous]

I never saw the original thread, but I don’t really understand why Christians shouldn’t celebrate Passover. The exodus is a part of Christian tradition, too. And that article that OP posted said that Jesus didn’t celebrate Passover? He was Jewish - so how did Passover even come to be such a big deal in Jewish tradition if someone super-Jewish like Jesus didn’t celebrate? I thought the Jewish holidays came from traditions in the Torah?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews having a Christmas tree is not the same thing as Christians hosting a seder. But thanks for making it all about Christians.

actually it is. As a Christian I believe in the Passover story. A Jewish person does t actually believe Jesus was Gods son.

[Anonymous]

I will celebrate my religious traditions as I see fit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

Yup! A Christmas tree and Santa have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.

Santa and Christmas trees may not have anything to do with the birth of Jesus but its a Christian tradition and not secular.

Umm, not really. They were pagan traditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never saw the original thread, but I don’t really understand why Christians shouldn’t celebrate Passover. The exodus is a part of Christian tradition, too. And that article that OP posted said that Jesus didn’t celebrate Passover? He was Jewish - so how did Passover even come to be such a big deal in Jewish tradition if someone super-Jewish like Jesus didn’t celebrate? I thought the Jewish holidays came from traditions in the Torah?

Oh, wow.

You really need to take a basic religion class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

Oh the irony in that sentence!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember that loooong thread about Christians hosting seders?

I thought of it today when I got an email from Forward about Passover myths, one of them being that the last supper was a seder. (spoiler alert: it was most likely not since the temple had not been destroyed yer, and Passover seders were not yet a thing)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-passover/2018/03/28/15a059d8-320b-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html

"Parts of the Seder might have begun to take root during Jesus’ lifetime, but there’s no evidence that they were widespread or developed enough that he would have participated in them."

Here's an article on why Christians should think twice about hosting their own seders:

https://forward.com/opinion/443606/please-do-not-host-a-christian-seder/

Chag Pesach sameach!

You are wrong. The Last Supper was a Seder. Only a few historians trying to
Make tenure have the degree to the contrary. Google it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews having a Christmas tree is not the same thing as Christians hosting a seder. But thanks for making it all about Christians.

actually it is. As a Christian I believe in the Passover story. A Jewish person does t actually believe Jesus was Gods son.

The Old Testament is part of Christianity. It’s part of the Christian religious tradition. Similarly, much of the Bible also overlaps with the Quran — it’s part of the Islamic religion. I don’t think many Christians realize that Jesus is a prophet in the Quran. Similarly, many Jews discount the relevance of Jewish prophets in Christianity. The three religions have so much overlap that we are called the people of the book.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Orthodox Jew and I don't mind at all if non-Jews want to make seders for their own families. I find it strange and I don't see value in it, but I don't mind or take offense. If I was going to bother taking offense to Christianity, it would be for the supersessionist sentiments which are far more widespread than makeshift seders.

I am actually happy when non-Jews buy our kosher for Passover products for random reasons, such as wanting cane sugar instead of corn syrup or gluten-free cookies. More demand will mean these products will become more widely distributed and more affordable over time. So that's a win win.

Aww...this reminds me of my dad, who absolutely loved matzoh and would buy boxes and boxes of them. I...did not understand.

Ha! I was about to share about my dear Irish mother who also loved matzoh. She’d have it buttered with her tea .

Orthodox PP. A lot of my non-Jewish friends love matzah. I used to hate it, but it has grown on me. Especially as I have grown older and had to become more conscious about my calories, I appreciate that matzah has a lot fewer calories per square inch of surface area than bread. A matzah pizza does much less damage than a real pizza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Orthodox Jew and I don't mind at all if non-Jews want to make seders for their own families. I find it strange and I don't see value in it, but I don't mind or take offense. If I was going to bother taking offense to Christianity, it would be for the supersessionist sentiments which are far more widespread than makeshift seders.

I am actually happy when non-Jews buy our kosher for Passover products for random reasons, such as wanting cane sugar instead of corn syrup or gluten-free cookies. More demand will mean these products will become more widely distributed and more affordable over time. So that's a win win.

Or it could be like the dining room at my college where all the non-Jews eagerly gobbled up the matzoh and there wasn't enough for the kids who actually observed Passover. We weren't supposed to bring outside food into the dining hall but we had to during Passover because the college didn't supply enough despite claiming they did. I'm always amazed when my Christian coworkers love matzoh. Personally I hate it and now only eat the ritually prescribed amount!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Orthodox Jew and I don't mind at all if non-Jews want to make seders for their own families. I find it strange and I don't see value in it, but I don't mind or take offense. If I was going to bother taking offense to Christianity, it would be for the supersessionist sentiments which are far more widespread than makeshift seders.

I am actually happy when non-Jews buy our kosher for Passover products for random reasons, such as wanting cane sugar instead of corn syrup or gluten-free cookies. More demand will mean these products will become more widely distributed and more affordable over time. So that's a win win.

Or it could be like the dining room at my college where all the non-Jews eagerly gobbled up the matzoh and there wasn't enough for the kids who actually observed Passover. We weren't supposed to bring outside food into the dining hall but we had to during Passover because the college didn't supply enough despite claiming they did. I'm always amazed when my Christian coworkers love matzoh. Personally I hate it and now only eat the ritually prescribed amount!

Seriously! It’s nasty!

Maybe it’s because it wasn’t imposed on them throughout their childhood?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Orthodox Jew and I don't mind at all if non-Jews want to make seders for their own families. I find it strange and I don't see value in it, but I don't mind or take offense. If I was going to bother taking offense to Christianity, it would be for the supersessionist sentiments which are far more widespread than makeshift seders.

I am actually happy when non-Jews buy our kosher for Passover products for random reasons, such as wanting cane sugar instead of corn syrup or gluten-free cookies. More demand will mean these products will become more widely distributed and more affordable over time. So that's a win win.

Aww...this reminds me of my dad, who absolutely loved matzoh and would buy boxes and boxes of them. I...did not understand.

Ha! I was about to share about my dear Irish mother who also loved matzoh. She’d have it buttered with her tea .

Orthodox PP. A lot of my non-Jewish friends love matzah. I used to hate it, but it has grown on me. Especially as I have grown older and had to become more conscious about my calories, I appreciate that matzah has a lot fewer calories per square inch of surface area than bread. A matzah pizza does much less damage than a real pizza

I'm also Orthodox and I eat matzo pizza year round. I love pizza with thin crispy crust and it's hard to get crispier. So glad our minhag is to eat gebrokts!

By the time we get to the Hillel sandwich at the seder, though, it's sometimes enough matzo. Depends on how thick the matzo is. Last year due to Covid we couldn't get our usual Lakewood hand matza and had to use store-bought and it was like eating corrugated cardboard. Expensive corrugated cardboard. We got from Lakewood again this year, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never saw the original thread, but I don’t really understand why Christians shouldn’t celebrate Passover. The exodus is a part of Christian tradition, too. And that article that OP posted said that Jesus didn’t celebrate Passover? He was Jewish - so how did Passover even come to be such a big deal in Jewish tradition if someone super-Jewish like Jesus didn’t celebrate? I thought the Jewish holidays came from traditions in the Torah?