What makes a guy "creepy?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, what I am seeing is, with the exception of 14:29 (definitely creepy), it is up to the recipient. And, in some cases, fungible based on other factors (i.e., he is cute). The common theme is aa disrespect for boundaries.

That's not the only common theme. Inability to read cues is a big one, and that's not always the same as disrespecting boundaries. You seem to want to tie this into a sentence and put a bow on it it, but there are nuances here.

No. I was trying to understand why people do not find me creepy, and haven't for a while. For me, it probably was more of an anger issue. I used to be angry all the time. Also, when I realized that people found me creepy and I did not like it. So, in time, I changed. I became happier. And I made sure (for the most part) I was never in a position where the other party would not feel safe.

When I was coaching softball (U6-U10), I encouraged parents to stay around. I made sure I was never in a position where anything could be mis-interpreted. I like kids, but never try to interact with someone elses kid without the parent present (except when coaching). I talk to the children like they are humans, but also tell the parents to enjoy the age. I never try to isolate the child from the parent. That is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

[Anonymous]

True creepiness is respecting boundaries to establish confidence and respect, then manipulating those boundaries in order to cross them without raising suspicion. That is my worry about OP.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, what I am seeing is, with the exception of 14:29 (definitely creepy), it is up to the recipient. And, in some cases, fungible based on other factors (i.e., he is cute). The common theme is aa disrespect for boundaries.

That's not the only common theme. Inability to read cues is a big one, and that's not always the same as disrespecting boundaries. You seem to want to tie this into a sentence and put a bow on it it, but there are nuances here.

No. I was trying to understand why people do not find me creepy, and haven't for a while. For me, it probably was more of an anger issue. I used to be angry all the time. Also, when I realized that people found me creepy and I did not like it. So, in time, I changed. I became happier. And I made sure (for the most part) I was never in a position where the other party would not feel safe.

When I was coaching softball (U6-U10), I encouraged parents to stay around. I made sure I was never in a position where anything could be mis-interpreted. I like kids, but never try to interact with someone elses kid without the parent present (except when coaching). I talk to the children like they are humans, but also tell the parents to enjoy the age. I never try to isolate the child from the parent. That is wrong.

Um, yeah. Sounds like you may need to work on several issues with yourself. Often people just get a creepy "vibe" from someone no matter what they do, because their intuition can see past the pretense.

You need to work on yourself first and fix yourself. No amount of posturing will cover up that inner weirdness/creepiness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what many people are describing is a sense of entitlement that some men can bring to the table. And I don't mean like alpha dude who thinks can do what he wants (although relevant). It's the guy who feels entitled to touch you, follow you, call you, be near you, and then escalates in anger when he finds his entitlement questioned. I also ascribe this sense of entitlement to guys who lament the "friend zone." they're just SO NICE and such a NICE GUY then why doesnt this girl want to xyz w them (date them, have sex w them). being decent or kind doesn't come hand in hand with a person wanting to have sex w you or be in a romantic relationship. That's creepy entitlement.

Meh. I don't particularly care for this word.

Bahaha. NP here. It's such an entitled thing to do to try to discount an argument based on the fact that you personally don't like that word.

Newsflash: no one cares about your word preferences. And only a very entitled person would think that they should.

That's probably why you don't like the word, dude- cause it fits you really well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

I think its ignorant to say your level of attraction to the guy doesn't impact how you initially perceive his creep factor. If a super hot guy approaches you and starts yammering about something stupid you're much more likely to be flattered and engage than if a guy who looks like he lives in his mom's basement and eats pizza for a living approaches you with the same stupid line. Now maybe the super hot guy IS a creep and five minutes into the conversation you realize that and pull away but the reality is that the hot guy gets five minutes the not guy never had a chance at.

That has nothing to do with fantasy. That is reality. And perhaps brings a secondary thing up, in that a guy's physical appearance (not like, hot/not but like, put together, hygenic, not slovenly) has a pretty significant impact on the creep alarm sounding. For example, if you have two guys who are equally creepy and equally attractive but one is in a suit and one is in dirty clothes and looks like he hasn't showered, I would be more likely to write the dirty guy off as creepy first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

I think its ignorant to say your level of attraction to the guy doesn't impact how you initially perceive his creep factor. If a super hot guy approaches you and starts yammering about something stupid you're much more likely to be flattered and engage than if a guy who looks like he lives in his mom's basement and eats pizza for a living approaches you with the same stupid line. Now maybe the super hot guy IS a creep and five minutes into the conversation you realize that and pull away but the reality is that the hot guy gets five minutes the not guy never had a chance at.

That has nothing to do with fantasy. That is reality. And perhaps brings a secondary thing up, in that a guy's physical appearance (not like, hot/not but like, put together, hygenic, not slovenly) has a pretty significant impact on the creep alarm sounding. For example, if you have two guys who are equally creepy and equally attractive but one is in a suit and one is in dirty clothes and looks like he hasn't showered, I would be more likely to write the dirty guy off as creepy first.

Also for the record, I am a woman, not a persecuted man!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

I think its ignorant to say your level of attraction to the guy doesn't impact how you initially perceive his creep factor. If a super hot guy approaches you and starts yammering about something stupid you're much more likely to be flattered and engage than if a guy who looks like he lives in his mom's basement and eats pizza for a living approaches you with the same stupid line. Now maybe the super hot guy IS a creep and five minutes into the conversation you realize that and pull away but the reality is that the hot guy gets five minutes the not guy never had a chance at.

That has nothing to do with fantasy. That is reality. And perhaps brings a secondary thing up, in that a guy's physical appearance (not like, hot/not but like, put together, hygenic, not slovenly) has a pretty significant impact on the creep alarm sounding. For example, if you have two guys who are equally creepy and equally attractive but one is in a suit and one is in dirty clothes and looks like he hasn't showered, I would be more likely to write the dirty guy off as creepy first.

"Lives in his basement and eats pizza for a living" is not a measure of attractiveness. That is a personality trait, not a physical characteristic. There's plenty of hot guys that can live in the basement and eat pizza for a living and plenty of ugly guys. Neither of their "creepiness" is determined by how attractive they are, nor by the fact that they live in a basement, though that certainly seems to increase the likelihood.

Maybe there is a correlation between ugly guys and creepiness because attractive people, in general, have been treated better over the course of their life, probably been exposed to more interaction, and will, in general, have better social skills. But then again, there are plenty of dudes like Elliot Rodgers, who was a perfectly attractive guy, definitely more the type to "wear a suit" like you described, instead of a dirty clothes, and drove a BMW. And he still went off the charts on every woman's creep meter.

So no- your assessment is fully incorrect. A creep is a creep is a creep whether they're attractive or even hot, dressed in the nicest clothes or the worst. As human beings we tend to trust those who are clean and take care of themselves more, and people who are attractive more. That goes for ALL human beings, male and female, and statistics back that up. However, that's totally different from classifying someone into the creep group. Any dude, regardless of appearance or background, can choose to respect a woman's social cues and emotions, read them appropriately, and not impose himself on here. And vice versa can happen- in which case, he gets placed into "creep category."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

I think its ignorant to say your level of attraction to the guy doesn't impact how you initially perceive his creep factor. If a super hot guy approaches you and starts yammering about something stupid you're much more likely to be flattered and engage than if a guy who looks like he lives in his mom's basement and eats pizza for a living approaches you with the same stupid line. Now maybe the super hot guy IS a creep and five minutes into the conversation you realize that and pull away but the reality is that the hot guy gets five minutes the not guy never had a chance at.

That has nothing to do with fantasy. That is reality. And perhaps brings a secondary thing up, in that a guy's physical appearance (not like, hot/not but like, put together, hygenic, not slovenly) has a pretty significant impact on the creep alarm sounding. For example, if you have two guys who are equally creepy and equally attractive but one is in a suit and one is in dirty clothes and looks like he hasn't showered, I would be more likely to write the dirty guy off as creepy first.

"Lives in his basement and eats pizza for a living" is not a measure of attractiveness. That is a personality trait, not a physical characteristic. There's plenty of hot guys that can live in the basement and eat pizza for a living and plenty of ugly guys. Neither of their "creepiness" is determined by how attractive they are, nor by the fact that they live in a basement, though that certainly seems to increase the likelihood.

Maybe there is a correlation between ugly guys and creepiness because attractive people, in general, have been treated better over the course of their life, probably been exposed to more interaction, and will, in general, have better social skills. But then again, there are plenty of dudes like Elliot Rodgers, who was a perfectly attractive guy, definitely more the type to "wear a suit" like you described, instead of a dirty clothes, and drove a BMW. And he still went off the charts on every woman's creep meter.

So no- your assessment is fully incorrect. A creep is a creep is a creep whether they're attractive or even hot, dressed in the nicest clothes or the worst. As human beings we tend to trust those who are clean and take care of themselves more, and people who are attractive more. That goes for ALL human beings, male and female, and statistics back that up. However, that's totally different from classifying someone into the creep group. Any dude, regardless of appearance or background, can choose to respect a woman's social cues and emotions, read them appropriately, and not impose himself on here. And vice versa can happen- in which case, he gets placed into "creep category."

Look, the bottom line is that a really good looking man could do or say something that you might find flattering, where the exact same thing done or said by an unattractive guy would be perceived as creepy.

No one is saying that good looking guys can't be creepy, but there is a sliding scale of creepiness and good looking men will have more leeway than their less attractive brothers. Fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

I think its ignorant to say your level of attraction to the guy doesn't impact how you initially perceive his creep factor. If a super hot guy approaches you and starts yammering about something stupid you're much more likely to be flattered and engage than if a guy who looks like he lives in his mom's basement and eats pizza for a living approaches you with the same stupid line. Now maybe the super hot guy IS a creep and five minutes into the conversation you realize that and pull away but the reality is that the hot guy gets five minutes the not guy never had a chance at.

That has nothing to do with fantasy. That is reality. And perhaps brings a secondary thing up, in that a guy's physical appearance (not like, hot/not but like, put together, hygenic, not slovenly) has a pretty significant impact on the creep alarm sounding. For example, if you have two guys who are equally creepy and equally attractive but one is in a suit and one is in dirty clothes and looks like he hasn't showered, I would be more likely to write the dirty guy off as creepy first.

"Lives in his basement and eats pizza for a living" is not a measure of attractiveness. That is a personality trait, not a physical characteristic. There's plenty of hot guys that can live in the basement and eat pizza for a living and plenty of ugly guys. Neither of their "creepiness" is determined by how attractive they are, nor by the fact that they live in a basement, though that certainly seems to increase the likelihood.

Maybe there is a correlation between ugly guys and creepiness because attractive people, in general, have been treated better over the course of their life, probably been exposed to more interaction, and will, in general, have better social skills. But then again, there are plenty of dudes like Elliot Rodgers, who was a perfectly attractive guy, definitely more the type to "wear a suit" like you described, instead of a dirty clothes, and drove a BMW. And he still went off the charts on every woman's creep meter.

So no- your assessment is fully incorrect. A creep is a creep is a creep whether they're attractive or even hot, dressed in the nicest clothes or the worst. As human beings we tend to trust those who are clean and take care of themselves more, and people who are attractive more. That goes for ALL human beings, male and female, and statistics back that up. However, that's totally different from classifying someone into the creep group. Any dude, regardless of appearance or background, can choose to respect a woman's social cues and emotions, read them appropriately, and not impose himself on here. And vice versa can happen- in which case, he gets placed into "creep category."

Look, the bottom line is that a really good looking man could do or say something that you might find flattering, where the exact same thing done or said by an unattractive guy would be perceived as creepy.

No one is saying that good looking guys can't be creepy, but there is a sliding scale of creepiness and good looking men will have more leeway than their less attractive brothers. Fact.

No it's not a fact. At all.

Creepy is creepy is creepy. I dont care if it's brad fucking pitt, if someone is not respecting social cues and prioritizing his sexual interest over MY comfort, he is a creep and there is ZERO interest. I have only heard the same sentiment expressed from my friends. No one has time or wants to be around a creep- no matter how pretty they may be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No it's not a fact. At all.

Creepy is creepy is creepy. I dont care if it's brad fucking pitt, if someone is not respecting social cues and prioritizing his sexual interest over MY comfort, he is a creep and there is ZERO interest. I have only heard the same sentiment expressed from my friends. No one has time or wants to be around a creep- no matter how pretty they may be.

Well, maybe you're a special fucking snowflake, but the whole point is that Brad Pitt is going to get different social cues in the first five minutes from most women than is slovenly, fat sweatpants guy.

[I'm a NP by the way -- don't want to impugn the PP with my coarse language.]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lack of boundaries.

If I haven't done something to indicate I want to talk to you, don't unless it's to be courteous or convey necessary information.

Example, on metro.

non-creepy-- your backpack is open and something looks like it will fall out.

creepy-- smile! So, I notice you like the beach, me too (pointing at OBX T-shirt).

Example, in Starbucks

non-creepy-- Looks like they forgot both of our orders. I'm going to check.

creepy-- sit down at my table or ask to do so, unless there are no others and I'm at a big table and it's clear you just want to work.

Example, on the street

creepy-- anything other than "miss, your hair is on fire."

example, at work

non-creepy-- did you have a nice weekend?

creepy-- asking for a date; staring; looming over my desk.

example, Facebook.

non-creepy-- sending friend request if you are a friend of a friend and you often reply to the same friend's postings and "like" one another's comments. If I don't accept the friend request, you drop it.

creepy-- private messaging me to ask about the friend request, trying to talk to me once I've said no, expressing anger and telling me what kind of person I am if I decide not to interact with you.

you crazy, and if the guy was attractive it wouldn't be creepy to you!

Not true. I am a different poster and attractiveness really doesnt matter. Plenty of "attractive" guys are super creepy. It's this inane persecutionist fantasy men have that they can act creepy as hell and when they get called out they can cry that "I guess I'm just not attractive enough to get away with it."

Bitch, please.

I think its ignorant to say your level of attraction to the guy doesn't impact how you initially perceive his creep factor. If a super hot guy approaches you and starts yammering about something stupid you're much more likely to be flattered and engage than if a guy who looks like he lives in his mom's basement and eats pizza for a living approaches you with the same stupid line. Now maybe the super hot guy IS a creep and five minutes into the conversation you realize that and pull away but the reality is that the hot guy gets five minutes the not guy never had a chance at.

That has nothing to do with fantasy. That is reality. And perhaps brings a secondary thing up, in that a guy's physical appearance (not like, hot/not but like, put together, hygenic, not slovenly) has a pretty significant impact on the creep alarm sounding. For example, if you have two guys who are equally creepy and equally attractive but one is in a suit and one is in dirty clothes and looks like he hasn't showered, I would be more likely to write the dirty guy off as creepy first.

"Lives in his basement and eats pizza for a living" is not a measure of attractiveness. That is a personality trait, not a physical characteristic. There's plenty of hot guys that can live in the basement and eat pizza for a living and plenty of ugly guys. Neither of their "creepiness" is determined by how attractive they are, nor by the fact that they live in a basement, though that certainly seems to increase the likelihood.

Maybe there is a correlation between ugly guys and creepiness because attractive people, in general, have been treated better over the course of their life, probably been exposed to more interaction, and will, in general, have better social skills. But then again, there are plenty of dudes like Elliot Rodgers, who was a perfectly attractive guy, definitely more the type to "wear a suit" like you described, instead of a dirty clothes, and drove a BMW. And he still went off the charts on every woman's creep meter.

So no- your assessment is fully incorrect. A creep is a creep is a creep whether they're attractive or even hot, dressed in the nicest clothes or the worst. As human beings we tend to trust those who are clean and take care of themselves more, and people who are attractive more. That goes for ALL human beings, male and female, and statistics back that up. However, that's totally different from classifying someone into the creep group. Any dude, regardless of appearance or background, can choose to respect a woman's social cues and emotions, read them appropriately, and not impose himself on here. And vice versa can happen- in which case, he gets placed into "creep category."

Look, the bottom line is that a really good looking man could do or say something that you might find flattering, where the exact same thing done or said by an unattractive guy would be perceived as creepy.

No one is saying that good looking guys can't be creepy, but there is a sliding scale of creepiness and good looking men will have more leeway than their less attractive brothers. Fact.

No it's not a fact. At all.

Creepy is creepy is creepy. I dont care if it's brad fucking pitt, if someone is not respecting social cues and prioritizing his sexual interest over MY comfort, he is a creep and there is ZERO interest. I have only heard the same sentiment expressed from my friends. No one has time or wants to be around a creep- no matter how pretty they may be.

Oh please. Of course good-looking people (men or women) are going to get more social leeway. You simply look foolish for denying this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread needs a visual aid:

you can't be creepy in a position of that much power.

if biden was younger, he could go to hollywood and lay pipe on starlets night in night out on command.