Do you think an Exit Ban could actually happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

What History Teaches
• Fascist takeovers often look sloppy or absurd until they’re suddenly entrenched. Many contemporaries underestimated the threat because they thought, “These guys are clowns, they’ll never succeed.”
• Large portions of the population weren’t necessarily ideologically fascist — but they tolerated authoritarianism out of fear, apathy, or because they liked the scapegoating.
• By the time everyone “knew for sure” it was authoritarian, it was too dangerous to resist openly.

Yep, definitely understand the risk of underestimating them. I've really been coming to terms recently with the reality that most (white) people are ultimately going to side with these guys if it gets to that point. It's a hard truth to accept.

Yes. Self preservation, even if they don't agree with it.

You could call it that I guess. But as someone from the populations y'all will throw under the bus, we refer to it as something else.

What do you call it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fevered imaginations some of you (proudly?) display are unreal.

It's sad. If the posts on this board are real, then most of the people here need real mental help. Simply delusional.

Seriously. These people are insane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

What History Teaches
• Fascist takeovers often look sloppy or absurd until they’re suddenly entrenched. Many contemporaries underestimated the threat because they thought, “These guys are clowns, they’ll never succeed.”
• Large portions of the population weren’t necessarily ideologically fascist — but they tolerated authoritarianism out of fear, apathy, or because they liked the scapegoating.
• By the time everyone “knew for sure” it was authoritarian, it was too dangerous to resist openly.

Yep, definitely understand the risk of underestimating them. I've really been coming to terms recently with the reality that most (white) people are ultimately going to side with these guys if it gets to that point. It's a hard truth to accept.

Yes. Self preservation, even if they don't agree with it.

You could call it that I guess. But as someone from the populations y'all will throw under the bus, we refer to it as something else.

What do you call it?

When white people prioritize their own skin over their purported values and people of color and other marginalized communities suffer for it? Cowardice, fascism, the history of the world, ie. typical white bullsh!t.

As a child of the 90s, I was raised in an environment of supposed equality. I saw myself as equal to my white peers, and believed them when they said I was. I now see it all for the BS it was. There are those among you who will NEVER allow us to exist as equals, and the rest of you will fall in line when the time comes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some coworkers were discussing our descent into authoritarianism and one mentioned his belief than an Exit Ban may very well be a possibility. Despite how insane this all is, that feels far fetched to me, but I also have no proximity to the government/how things work, so who am I really to know. Curious as to what you may think.

Yes - I think you should beat the rush and just leave now

[Anonymous]

Sheesh, is this the kind of thread we get when feds suddenly have a lot of free time?

Your therapist isn’t shutdown you know…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

This is a huge trigger for me: https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-immigration-raid-on-chicago-apartment-building-leaves-residents-reeling-i-feel-defeated

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a country on earth like that except North Korea. It’s extremely unlikely.

But not that long ago, there was. USSR, East Germany, Cuba... all authoritarian regimes.

There are other authoritarian regimes who do not have an official exit ban, but they exert control in other ways; have hit men all over to terrorize expats, imprison internally at will with manufactured charges (guess who!), threaten and hurt family, friends, associates who stay behind (many countries!).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

What History Teaches
• Fascist takeovers often look sloppy or absurd until they’re suddenly entrenched. Many contemporaries underestimated the threat because they thought, “These guys are clowns, they’ll never succeed.”
• Large portions of the population weren’t necessarily ideologically fascist — but they tolerated authoritarianism out of fear, apathy, or because they liked the scapegoating.
• By the time everyone “knew for sure” it was authoritarian, it was too dangerous to resist openly.

Yep, definitely understand the risk of underestimating them. I've really been coming to terms recently with the reality that most (white) people are ultimately going to side with these guys if it gets to that point. It's a hard truth to accept.

My best friend and I had a conversation awhile back that was sort of about this. Basically we both agreed that we now understood how people reacted as they did during authoritarian takeovers.

Like you, I've accepted that wealthy people, and whites especially, aren't going to feel much of the effects of what's happening and are unlikely to do anything to counter it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fevered imaginations some of you (proudly?) display are unreal.

It's sad. If the posts on this board are real, then most of the people here need real mental help. Simply delusional.

Seriously. These people are insane.

As one of the people you are calling insane, I would genuinely love to hear rational counter arguments to persuade me that my way of thinking is incorrect instead of name calling.

Do you have any rational counter arguments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fevered imaginations some of you (proudly?) display are unreal.

It's sad. If the posts on this board are real, then most of the people here need real mental help. Simply delusional.

Seriously. These people are insane.

Did you ever think the POTUS would encourage his cult followers to over turn an election, where they invaded the Capitol, sought out members of congress and the VP to hang him, destroy and sh(t in the Capitol? Me neither, but it happened.

I remember when people were saying they would never overturn RvW, yet that happened, too.

I never thought we'd alienate ourselves from our allies, yet this is happening, too.

These are shocking times, and I don't put anything passed MAGA Trump cult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

What History Teaches
• Fascist takeovers often look sloppy or absurd until they’re suddenly entrenched. Many contemporaries underestimated the threat because they thought, “These guys are clowns, they’ll never succeed.”
• Large portions of the population weren’t necessarily ideologically fascist — but they tolerated authoritarianism out of fear, apathy, or because they liked the scapegoating.
• By the time everyone “knew for sure” it was authoritarian, it was too dangerous to resist openly.

Yep, definitely understand the risk of underestimating them. I've really been coming to terms recently with the reality that most (white) people are ultimately going to side with these guys if it gets to that point. It's a hard truth to accept.

My best friend and I had a conversation awhile back that was sort of about this. Basically we both agreed that we now understood how people reacted as they did during authoritarian takeovers.

Like you, I've accepted that wealthy people, and whites especially, aren't going to feel much of the effects of what's happening and are unlikely to do anything to counter it.

It's like slow boiling a live frog. You don't know it's happening until it's too late.

The signs of an authoritarian government are there. MAGA seem to support having our military walk the streets in our neighborhood.

We're the frog, and the US is the slow boiling water.

My spouse and kids have dual citizenship. We have an exit strategy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fevered imaginations some of you (proudly?) display are unreal.

It's sad. If the posts on this board are real, then most of the people here need real mental help. Simply delusional.

Most of the people posting to DCUM are, in fact, in need of real mental help.

There is scientific evident to support that fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

What History Teaches
• Fascist takeovers often look sloppy or absurd until they’re suddenly entrenched. Many contemporaries underestimated the threat because they thought, “These guys are clowns, they’ll never succeed.”
• Large portions of the population weren’t necessarily ideologically fascist — but they tolerated authoritarianism out of fear, apathy, or because they liked the scapegoating.
• By the time everyone “knew for sure” it was authoritarian, it was too dangerous to resist openly.

Yep, definitely understand the risk of underestimating them. I've really been coming to terms recently with the reality that most (white) people are ultimately going to side with these guys if it gets to that point. It's a hard truth to accept.

My best friend and I had a conversation awhile back that was sort of about this. Basically we both agreed that we now understood how people reacted as they did during authoritarian takeovers.

Like you, I've accepted that wealthy people, and whites especially, aren't going to feel much of the effects of what's happening and are unlikely to do anything to counter it.

I’m not sure why you think this. Plenty of fascist regimes were equal opportunity based on race. Pretty sure you aren’t out there throwing your body in front of ICE rn are you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally no one (besides your coworkers, OP) is talking about this.

That's...not true at all. Lots of people are watching things develop and questioning when it's time to get out of dodge. My household certainly has a "get out" plan in place, we're just watching for specific triggers.

Genuinely curious what your get out triggers are

Many of them have already been tripped (military in our cities, the attempts to criminalize dissent, etc.). The big one I have my eyes on is the prosecution of political enemies, which he is certainly attempting, but the court system itself seems to be holding for the time being. Now if he were to bypass the court system altogether and start locking up/executing/disappearing political enemies, journalists, and activists who are citizens, that'd be a big one. I'm also keeping an eye out for any asset seizure, revoking citizenship, etc. I'm also watching the rich people. If/when they begin to jump ship, I probably will too.

The issue with this regime is that they're attempting all the classic moves of fascism, but they are stupid and incompetent, so they haven't been entirely successful. The question is no longer "Is this a fascist takeover?" but rather, "Will this fascist takeover succeed?" I'm not yet sure enough that it will to uproot my life, and I'm not yet in immediate danger. But I have a plan and a go-bag should that change.

What History Teaches
• Fascist takeovers often look sloppy or absurd until they’re suddenly entrenched. Many contemporaries underestimated the threat because they thought, “These guys are clowns, they’ll never succeed.”
• Large portions of the population weren’t necessarily ideologically fascist — but they tolerated authoritarianism out of fear, apathy, or because they liked the scapegoating.
• By the time everyone “knew for sure” it was authoritarian, it was too dangerous to resist openly.

Yep, definitely understand the risk of underestimating them. I've really been coming to terms recently with the reality that most (white) people are ultimately going to side with these guys if it gets to that point. It's a hard truth to accept.

My best friend and I had a conversation awhile back that was sort of about this. Basically we both agreed that we now understood how people reacted as they did during authoritarian takeovers.

Like you, I've accepted that wealthy people, and whites especially, aren't going to feel much of the effects of what's happening and are unlikely to do anything to counter it.

I’m not siding with these guys, but I don’t have the luxury of dying for the cause. Not sure what else you want me to say. Political means are only effective when people trust in them. People have to trust that their lives will be made much worse (or nonexistent) if they don’t follow the rules. But so many of our institutions are just folding like cheap suits and many Americans are cheering it on.

I have little kids. Little kids I honestly wish I didn’t have so I didn’t have to see them live through this. Violence is already happening and it is going to get much worse.